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As I probably misplaced in Andre's string, I have decided to train in the winter for power. I can't remember doing this before but I must have done so.

I had a couple of toutes that are between 20 and 30 miles and I do a fast first half. Stop for coffee and donut and then a fast return. 24 miles ends up being about 2 hours with the stop.

When I started a couple of weeks ago I was averaging between 11 and 11.5 mph. Yesterday I was a git sore from Tuesday so I tried to take it a little easier. Tuesday's average was 14 mph and Thursday's was 14,75. There are a couple of rises that I was slowing down on and I'm not slowing down nearly as much now.

So let's see how this winter progresses and then when the weather improves I'll do some endurance rides since early April is a century. Last August my younger brother dropped me like the layer of dust on his bike. But he ran out of steam 10 miles from the end. But that ain't the way he tells it.

So, lets see how it goes.

If you want training for power you have to do that with a power meter so you know what you are doing. Average speed is not a good indicator especially when traffic lights are involved. If you just want to train (for what?) more effective than I agree short rides with higher intensities followed by enough recovery time are the way to go. Long boring rides with constant and low intensities are something from the past. For training that is except for PBP of course.

Lou

I absolutely disagree with the idea of power meters. Even the pros are stopping using those things.

What do you disagree with? Pros stopping with power meters? For training? Absolute nonsense.

Lou


Pros usually do not ride with power meters anymore. You use them when testing for TT's so that you know how much power you can put out for the length and difficulty of the course. Eneos was using them to monitor climbing power. The problem with this is that you have to go with the breaks so all your plans go out the window. So about all they are using them for is lab work and TT's.


A power meter is a trainings device and all pro riders use one. A race is a race and it is rue that you have to ride in the red zone to win a race or stage, but the majority of the riders ride a race with a power meter at least to analyse the data afterwards or do you think all the Garmin head units you see on their bikes are for following the route? . GC riders use de data of the power meters during the race because for them it is 3 weeks race to win.

Lou

https://cyclinguphill.com/pros-and-c...-power-meters/

I can't find the article now - they blamed the Tour loss of Froome on his power meter and that riders were stopping using power meters except in TT's

What kind of nonsense is that? Did the power meter slowed hime down? Chris Froome won 4 Tours, 1 Giro d'Italia and 2 Vuelta's because he used a power meter. The Giro stage where he beat Tom Dumoulin was because of a fine team tactic/plan and he knew exactly what he was doing. Tom Dumoulin lost that Giro because he was not confident of his ability and waited on the downhill of the Colle Delle Finestre for some help from other riders. He should just have trusted his power meter on a man to man fight with Froome. Maybe he did but in the previous days he was better than Froome.

Most of the times the criticism of the use of power meters (and communication) don't come from the riders (except Nikki Terpstra maybe) or staff but from the audience/spectators who think races become predictable and boring. They like to see the riders attack all the time like a headless chicken and then competely collapse 5 km before the finish. That is easy to say sitting in front of the TV with a beer.

Lou

Chris Froome was riding at his near max while being pulled up the mountain by is team. That meant he burned out his team and was at his near max power output himself. So he didn't have the punch when he needed it.

That tactic require the use of a power meter and this is what the Sky (Ineos) did; being pulled just under your limit and only the last 1-2 km of a climb in the red zone gaining just a couple of seconds in mountain stages. The big time gain is in the time trials were a power meter is even more important. It is also a dangerous tactic if an opponent is as strong or stronger. He then sits 'comfortable' in your wheel and take advantage of the pulling of your teammates. Look what happened in the big tours with the Movistar team. Quintana and Valverde were not strong enough.
Pro riders not using a power meter during the big tours is ridiculous.

Lou

I was wondering why there are many many power meters for sale on Craigslist..