On Jul 29, 5:46*pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
"JimmyMac" wrote in message

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On Jul 28, 2:25 pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
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Health care costs are outrageously expensive. The Damn Dems (Obama Care)
never know how to fix anything. America badly needs a single payer system
like they have in Canada and the UK. However, some folks still believe
that
health care is NOT a right!
Diversion duly noted. Healthcare is expensive everywhere, but the

point was that the food we eat contributes to good or bad health and
when bad, inflates health care costs .

Lots of other factors contribute to poor health besides what foods we eat..

Attempted diversion duly noted. Yes, other factors also contribute to
poor health but that does not contradict the point that my statement
made ... that the food that we eat contributes to good or bad health
and when bad, inflates health care costs, I might add that your
beloved governmental powers that be, including your beloved FDA do not
ensure the safety of the food that you consume. Allow me to just
touch briefly on just chickens and eggs for example...

Four studies implementing a plant-based diet and exercise following
prostate cancer diagnosis found a decrease in prostate cancer
progression rates.

Drugs are given to chickens to combat parasites that thrive in factory
farming conditions. Chemicals linked to cancer and birth defects have
been found in eggs and chicken portions. The chemical residue from
drugs given to chickens are regarded as too dangerous for use in human
medicine. Sloppy farming methods and inadequate checks by government
officials had allowed them to get into the food chain.

The drugs include nicarbazin, known to cause birth defects and
hormonal problems in animals, and lasalocid, linked to heart problems.
A third drug, dimetridazole (DMZ), has never been properly evaluated,
but there are concerns it can cause birth defects and cancer. Some of
the drugs are also said to interfere with the working of prescription
medicines. The Government insisted there was no risk.

Close to 20 per cent of chicken livers and 10 per cent of the eggs
checked in government tests contained residues of the drugs. That
amounts to 160 million affected chickens sold in the last 12 months
and 985 million eggs.

Nicarbazin has been found above recommended levels in 18 per cent of
chicken livers. In one sample, the level was 50 times higher.
Nicarbazin was also in 2 per cent of eggs. Lasalocid is not licensed
for laying hens, however it was found in 8.5 per cent of sampled egg
batches and 12 per cent of chicken muscle samples.

DMZ was in 0.5 per cent of eggs despite the fact it is not allowed in
feed given to laying hens.

As concerns your often cited assertion that one should eat a variety
of food in moderation, I have contended that some food should not be
consumed even in moderation and especially foods know to be
particularly harmful to person with certain afflictions. In one
study, approximately 1300 men diagnosed with prostate cancer were
followed for two years to document their dietary patterns and
recurrence or progression of their disease. In this study, two
specific animal foods were found to be risky - the men that ate the
most eggs or poultry with skin were twice as likely to have their
disease recur or progress.

This study makes three important points.

1. Diet DOES MATTER (Despite your claim to the contrary), even after a
prostate cancer diagnosis

2. There is something in chicken, specifically in the crispy outer
portion and skin that is powerfully cancer-inducing. Heterocyclic
amines, carcinogenic compounds that are formed when meat is cooked at
high temperatures, are a probable culprit. A November 2009 study of
175,000 men showed an increase in prostate cancer risk with
consumption of barbequed and grilled meat.

3. Consumption of eggs and egg whites is not without risk. Eggs are
high in animal protein, which has been linked to cancers. Our
populations’ idea that more protein is favorable and that egg (whites)
are the perfect food does not hold up to scrutiny. Eggs also could
affect prostate cancer due to their high choline content – egg
consumption increases the amount of choline in the plasma, and high
plasma choline increases prostate cancer risk.

I have friend in the UK and if

you really want decent health care you have to still pay out of
pocket. *My friend couldn't even get a routine PSA test approved in
the UK.

A primary care doctor will determine what is routine and what is not
routine, not the patient.

WRONG again! A patient needs to assume a role in his or her health
care. A PSA test is considered fairly routine In the US and certain
other Western countries In the UK, neither the patient nor the doctor
determine what is "routine". The socialized medicine bureaucracy
makes that determination Do you every take the time and/or make the
effort to familiarize yourself with the facts before seizing the
opportunity to run your mouth and embarrass yourself in a public
forum? Stating something as fact when such statement contradicts the
fact is ludicrous, but you do so like play the role of clown.

Health care in the UK is not all it is cracked up to be. I

know nothing though about how well implemented in places like Cananda
or Sweden,

Americans want way too much when it comes to health care. All we have a
right to is garden variety health care.

I your not so humble opinion you forgot to add.

But the problem is that even garden
variety health care is expensive. It need not be as is proven by the VA
health care system.

The VA health care system is a government run taxpayer subsidized
heathcare system. It may appear inexpensive to your the veteran, but
in reality it is not.

Will you ever get up to speed or are we destined to listen to you
dogmatically lecture ex cathedra regarding topics you know little
about. One of your most annoying traits is your insistence to speak
with "authority" regarding things about which you know little and
about which you have no intention to learn anything more. Is this the
measure of your alleged greatness? You are a piece of work.

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota