John B. wrote:
:On Fri, 11 May 2018 23:35:50 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

:On 5/11/2018 4:10 PM, David Scheidt wrote:
: Frank Krygowski wrote:
: :On 5/10/2018 11:19 PM, David Scheidt wrote:
: : Frank Krygowski wrote:
: : :On 5/10/2018 6:15 PM, John B. wrote:
: : :
: : : I suspect that you, like I, are what might be called a sensible rider.
: : : RE, door zones, just slow down a bit so you have time to dodge the
: : : door if necessary.
: :
: : :Um... no, that's not sensible.
: :
: : :Consider what happens if you're riding just 15 kph and a driver pops his
: : :door open as you pass his rear bumper. There's no way to stop in time.
: :
: : :If you're lucky, you'll hit his door squarely and crumple beneath it. If
: : :you're unlucky, you'll snag the door edge with your right handlebar, the
: : :bike will steer to the right, your body will be thrown down to the left,
: : :and the motor vehicle you were worried about will run over you.
: :
: : :Unlike mountain lion attacks, dooring really is a danger. Most states
: : :don't record it as a car-bike collision, because they record those only
: : :if the car was moving. But Chicago did keep track, and found that
: : :something like 20% of car-bike crashes were doorings.
: :
: : And we have a $1000 fine for causing an accident by dooring -- and the
: : cops write the tickets.
: :
: : on't ride in the door zone. Just don't.
: :
: : Yeah, you live in smallsville. If I don't ride in the door zone, it
: : takes me three times as long to get to work.
:
: :Why are those the only choices? Details, please. What happens if you
: :move a few feet left?
:
: My commute invovles riding past a mile (literally, one mile) of cars
: that are stopped at stop signs or lights. Riding between them and
: parked cars gets me to the light or sign in one cycle. Moving to the
: left puts me in stopped traffic.
:
:OK. That's an unusual situation, one that I think is quite rare. We
:don't have that situation. And in most of my metro area, if that did pop
:up on a certain street, there would be a selection of alternative routes
:that would let me avoid it.
:
:If that's what you're dealing with, I'd suggest riding _really_ slow,
:and perhaps making noise as you ride. As I hinted to John, at anything
:like a normal cycling speed, you cannot possibly stop in time if a car
:door pops open as you pass the rear bumper.

:Somebody wrote, above, "And we have a $1000 fine for causing an
:accident by dooring -- and the cops write the tickets."

:What is this intended to mean? You can't trust the cops?

It means the cops write tickets for people who door cyclists. Until a
few years ago, it was hard to get them to even show up to a dooring.


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