On Sep 6, 10:20*am, Andre Jute wrote:
On Sep 6, 12:29*am, James wrote:



On Sep 6, 4:54*am, Andre Jute wrote:

On Sep 5, 7:29*pm, Dan O wrote:

On Sep 5, 8:55 am, Frank Krygowski wrote:

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*You don't know so much as you think you do.
This is some serious knee-jerk adversarialism you're locked into.
Just because you've stuffed a big bag full of data and polished (and
polished, and polished) a bunch of talking points doesn't make you
right or anyone else wrong.

Anyone with "polished (and polished, and polished) [...] talking
points" is an obsessed apparatchik who *needs* to polish those
received "talking points" because he can't think for himself.

You know, I've heard it said "You can't polish ****." *The Myth
Busters tried, but they weren't very successful.

JS.

I used to work in advertising. Occasionally one would hear somone brag
that he could "sell any old ****". I wouldn't ever hire those because,
besides reasons of professional pride and principle, I thought they
were bull****ters. Nobody can polish ****, as you say. But Krygowski
got away with chanting his idiotic mantras so long that I can't help
wondering how many obsessed wishful thinkers (i.e. really stupid
people) there are in cycling. -- Andre Jute

The problem with salesmen (and women) who can "sell any old ****" is
that often they sell what customers want, rather than what the sales
team agreed to and the engineers designed. Happened all too often
from a certain salesman in the US who worked for the company where I
worked before. "Yeah, I've sold another 10 units, but they need
feature X implemented before the end of tomorrow."

Then there's the engineers who don't realise that all constants should
be treated as variables, so that feature X could be just a tweak of
setting B, insertion of module M, and a new menu entry in XML doc F.

Sorry - rambling. FK and coffee should not be taken together. Well
aged port would be better.

JS.