On 9/30/2020 8:34 PM, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 30 Sep 2020 13:06:31 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:
On 9/29/2020 11:35 PM, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 29 Sep 2020 22:46:39 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:
On 9/29/2020 9:18 PM, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 29 Sep 2020 12:01:30 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote:
No, sorry, you're remembering wrong. Or perhaps still confused.
You were fixating on instantaneous firing rate - like a guy with a six
shot revolver who can pull the trigger six times in three seconds. You
were saying "See? That would be 120 rounds per minute!" My response was
that it would NOT be 120 rounds _in_ one minute. For anyone who hadn't
practiced like crazy, reloading would consume most of the minute.
So who _does_ really need to fire more than a couple shots within a
minute? Who _does_ really need to fire more than five to ten shots in a
minute?
By the way, you might want to look at:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJMbxZ1k9NQ
it shows a chap with a flintlock Brown Bess musket that went into
service in the English army in 1722 firing 3 shots in 46 seconds.
I've seen that sort of demonstration live. So is that your answer? "The
person who needs to shoot lots of shots in one minute is a soldier
trying to kill other soldiers."
If so, I agree! But Walter "Rambo" Mitty who plays combat games on his
mom's computer doesn't need that capability in real life. And providing
it is detrimental to society.
Frank, you really should stop replying as time after time your
responses demonstrate that you know nothing about the subject.
Most, I'd almost say all, modern firearms today will fire more then
your mythical 10 - 15 rounds in one minute and I've posted references
to them. some even with moving pictures.
And I've said _repeatedly_ that I know that! Read upthread and see.
But to add to the pot here is an example of a bloke firing a revolver:
https://www.personaldefenseworld.com...-record-video/
Using the Smith and Wesson 929 Miculek Series Revolver, he fired off
16 rounds with a reload in 4.01 seconds.
And I already knew that similar things have long been done. You're not
adding information, John. You're harping on that point indicates you're
not grasping what I'm saying.
Now, of course, you move the goal posts again and say "need to..." and
I can assure you that shooting "doubles" at trap or skeet you need to
be able to fire as fast as you can pull the trigger.
Sorry, that's not what I've seen. You need to shoot one clay then shoot
another maybe a second later. Then there's a pause, because the next
competitor gets to shoot. I mean, come on John! Those guns don't come
with drum magazines!
Quite obviously you don't know what you are talking about as at
"doubles" they throw two birds at the same time, see:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvrdd3rwgGk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13BoNq9LM1g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBH8wFfjbn4
Thanks, John! Your videos confirmed what I said. Shoot twice, then wait.
The only difference is that the world record holders shoot twice more
quickly. But nobody shoots more than about four rounds in a minute. And
hey, look at those guns! No AR style, and the shooters break them open
and load the shells by hand!
Golly, if you say ARs are so wonderful, why aren't those guys using them?
And yet again you grasp frantically at something that might just
possibly justify your assertions. But the reality is that no one uses
an AR in trap or skeet shooting because they are contests for shotguns
and an AR is a rifle.
You're losing track of the discussion, John. Re-read above!
You posted those videos to counter my assertion that nobody (outside of
man-killing combat) really needs to fire lots of rounds in a minute.
(Note, I never said anything about the time interval between individual
shots.)
You repeated your mischaracterization of my point, by saying "I can
assure you that shooting doubles at trap or skeet you need to be able to
fire as fast as you can pull the trigger."
That's almost true - but only For precisely two trigger pulls. If they
needed to shoot more than (say) ten rounds as fast as they could pull a
trigger, they might be using something with AR features.
They don't use those features. They don't need to. They shoot twice then
wait. Your own examples argue against you.
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- Frank Krygowski