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Old October 15th 14, 12:47 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Default Not much needed in a "Be Seen" light

On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 1:07:30 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote:
Sir Ridesalot wrote:

On Monday, October 13, 2014 5:28:01 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote:


Sir Ridesalot wrote:




just for fun I removed the solar charger from a malfunctioning


lawn light that looks like one of those old round Union


headlights. I hard wired this light to a 4.8 volts battery and


looked to see what it was like. The three LEDs at the bottom of


the three inches diam reflector make a very good be seen light


but they because of the reflector design throw a very small


amount of light to the surface of the road. It'd be useless for


just about any trail riding even with a full moon. I repeated the


experiment the next night but with a 7.2 volts battery. The


amount of light on the road or trail didn't seem to be much more


and the light was still useless for trail riding at anything much


over walking speed. This experiment seems to prove that nearly


any light can work as a be seen light even though it'd ber


useless for seeing anything.






It's not just about to be seen. If the light is steady but the size


of




the light is much smaller than that of a car or motorcycle then car






drivers will think you are still much farther away from them than


you




really are.








The only thing that can (somewhat) prevent this effect is a


flashing




light because cars and motorcycles don't have those except for




emergencies. Or a wider light but then you need several watts of


power.








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Regards, Joerg








http://www.analogconsultants.com/




You seem to have missed my point. The point is that it takkes a


surprisingly little amount of light being emitted in order to be


seen. Being identified as a bicycle is whole other can of worms.






But that's the important part. Being identified as a bicycle averts "Oh

s..t!" situations where a driver slams on the brakes because he thought

you'd be farther away.





There is still a lack of consensus as to whether a steady on light is


better than or worse than a flashing light.






As long as I have to contend with battery-powered weak LED lights I will

keep them on flash, always. If I could find a big enough rear light that

can reasonably be spliced into a battery pack I'd use a steady light,

maybe. Big as in physically large and a total of 1-2W worth of LED power

in there.





In my opinion, the best colour for avoidance would be amber as that's


the international colour for something that motor vehicles shouldn't


be running into. Flashing amber is best.






Technically not legal to be riding with. Motorists would not necessarily

know whether you'd be coming or going. Flashing red works very well. I

am always glad to see cyclists use flashing lights even during the day

when I am driving in a car (I do that also when on my bicycles). With a

bright enough LED you can spot them 14mi to 1/2mi in the distance and

prepare yourself well in time to pass or slow down.



On my road bike I also use a flashing front light because that lamp has

much less than 100 lumens. With that it's fairly worthless as a driving

light at night unless I slow down to 10mph. On the mountain bike I leave

the front light on steady, in traffic also during the day. Because it's

very bright and I really notice the reduction in incursions into my

path. Still looking for a bigger light there, 1000 lumens or so, for

trail riding in the dark which I'll have to do soon.



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Regards, Joerg



http://www.analogconsultants.com/


.....

I experimented with a6" diameter dayglo circle on front bar. l993 ?

Town here has Fed/State road planning avoiding and enhancing the tourist/retiree experience...where a lot of the East coast is diffiu=cult antique roadsystems based on greed not traffic stats and engineering.

So we have Blvd with long sight lines.

The single dot improved my security, the Sheriff told me tis was good and that I went from invisible to visible at 1/4 mile.

Here we have J's insight factored up with older nervous systems I a strange place.

In 1993 dayglo was very avant-garde, almost unknown and reputedly the province of gay men.
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