On Wednesday, January 22, 2020 at 9:54:25 PM UTC-8, Tim McNamara wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jan 2020 06:56:52 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
wrote:
On Tuesday, January 21, 2020 at 12:25:17 PM UTC-8, Tim McNamara wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jan 2020 12:06:06 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
wrote:
On Monday, January 20, 2020 at 9:04:05 PM UTC-8, Chalo wrote:
Tom Kunich wrote:

Murder by cop. Not at all infrequent.

Fixed that for you.

The fact that you don't like cops doesn't change in the least that
people directly with police guns trained on them will make
threatening moves purposely having themselves killed. Whether you
like cops or not that is not murder.

Would it be murder if it was a police officer with gang member guns
trained on him, who then made a move perceived as threatening and got
shot? You bet it would. Prosecuted, signed, sealed, delivered to
jail. Most people wouldn't ask any questions (at least most people
who are white and middle class).

Cops get a pass on shooting people unnecessarily. The "fog of war,"
needing to make a "split second decision," "warrior" training, etc.,
etc. Not sure what the threat is when it's a kid who's unarmed, 50
feet away and facing away from the cop. Or when it's a black guy
seated in his car who lawfully informs the officer that he has a
conceal and carry permit and is armed, but is shot multiple times
within 30 seconds of that (with the victim's wife and child in the
car). Or when a woman calls the police about a neighborhood
disturbance that sounds like a person being harmed and is shot and
killed when she approaches the police car that responded to her call.
Or when it's a cop who tells his partner he's going to shoot and kill
the guy as they drive up in their cruiser, caught on the dash cam,
and then does so *and* plants a gun to implicate the victim as the
cause of the shooting.

I guess those are acceptable losses in an increasingly totalitarian
America.

So what you're saying is that most black people wouldn't agree with
the white people? What is plain is that you presently and probably for
your entire life have lived in some sort of lily white neighborhood,
have never lived with minorities and consider them akin to people from
another planet with different morals, ethics and an entire
civilization separate from yours.

You apparently just read some post other than mine, Tom.

Perhaps, but the impression I got was that the cops commit crimes and are let off by a white establishment. The facts are that this does happen and far more commonly than might be thought.

But you are certainly not bringing any news to the party and because you're white doesn't mean that somehow your claims have any more validity than the black community.

FWIW, about half of my customers and coworkers are African-American and
African. Have been for almost 30 years. I grew up in a lily-white
neighborhood, to be sure. Out of the 40,000 people in my hometown
suburb of Chicago, probably fewer than 5% were other than Caucasian.
College offered a slight increase in diversity, but not much. So I had
to learn about diversity as a working adult.

Well, I do see black gangs and Hispanic gangs but these are special cases. Otherwise people are people and you shouldn't even notice their race or religion unless there is some special reason to. Though if you live and work in Chicago I suppose that like here the criminal element it largely black which does cause you to take notice.

Did you just run and an prove your racial bona fides by going to see
"Harriet" which was melodramatized to the point of having not the
slightest detail anywhere close to detail?

I don't even know WTF you're talking about here.

Let me correct that: Did you print that to prove your pro-black bona fides after seeing a movie specifically designed to increase racial tension by misrepresenting Harriet Tubman who was a heroine in real life without adding mythological nonsense?

If I misunderstood you perhaps it had to do with what the conversation's directions appeared to be.