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Old December 2nd 08, 09:24 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
JNugent[_5_]
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Ian Smith wrote:

JNugent wrote:
Ian Smith wrote:
JNugent wrote:


He was under an obligation to give his name and address - if
requested - under road traffic legislation.


Which clause of what road traffic legislation?


"Clause"?
Acts don't have clauses; they have sections.


I take that as an admission that actually no road traffic legislation
requires it. That, in fact, your assertion was wrong.


Actually, you seem to have forgotten what you read.

Here it is again:

STARTQUOTE:
He was under an obligation to give his name and address - if requested -
under road traffic legislation.

Subject to the weird and wonderful separate-but-effectively-the-same-as-here
legal system in Scotland, he didn't give his name and address when lawfully
required to, the police would have been within their rights to arrest him
(which oddly enough, seems to have been their view too). If it were
otherwise, how could cycling law ever be enforced?
ENDQUOTE

See what you did there?

You snipped out the second bit and treated the first bit as though the second
bit hadn't been written, didn't you?

[Yes, I have noticed my own grammatical error in the quoted part above.]

Acts have clauses, whether they are titled "clause" or not.


Bills are divided into clauses. Acts, sections.

Clause is
a perfectly good general-purpose noun. My Oxford dictionary has
clause as being "a particular and separate article, stipulation, or
proviso, in any formal or legal document."


Had you merely claimed that complex sentences (including those found in Acts
of Parliament) contain clauses, I could have agreed with you.

But this is not what you were claiming. You thought that Acts of Parliament
are divided into clauses (I could make a reasonably confident bet as to *why*
you thought that too), and that is why you asked the question in that way.

I think you'd be on safer
ground making spelling flames, if that's the best you can do on
meaning.


It's nothing to do with spelling. You spelled "clause" and "clauses" correctly.

The whole point about your question is that you wished to be told which
identifiable part of an Act of Parliament makes a particular provision. Acts
are not divided into clauses; they are divided into sections.

Clauses (the grammatical concept) are very obviously not readily identifiable
by being indexed; it is ludicrous to suggest that you were asking for a
particular grammaical clause to be identified. You were asking for a section
and you called it a clause.
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