On Jan 25, 5:00*am, Bill C wrote:
On Jan 25, 2:47*am, Ryan Cousineau wrote:


How I got involved in this political discussion, I don't know (actually,
I do know: because I am a dumbass). But while I haven't read the book, I
did hear him interviewed at length, and his subject is, more precisely,
that the statist impulses of fascism (and he's talking generally about
all the fascists here; Mussolini as much as Hitler, and probably Franco
too), and modern-day instances of the totalitarian dream.

He notes that in the rise of fascists, "totalitarianism" was the selling
point, not the nightmare. This is me speaking, but it might make sense
to think of totalitarian meaning to happy fascists what "holistic" is
taken to mean today: an all-encompassing philosophy.

Let's just say that the totalitarian impulse can be summed up by the
phrase, "it takes a village to raise a child."

*More good stuff snipped.

*IMO he's out to lunch with Coulter, but that's not the point.
*He's using the fact that "liberals" frequently make noises like Marx
and Mao, and celebrate their ideas, and support people who spout their
ideas.\
*The problem with this is that everytime those have been put into
practice fully you end up with something remarkably like Fascism.
*You have State control of all resources, and products, for the
benefit of the State. You have total State control over the people,
for their own good, and the good of the State. You have a massive, and
abusise security force. You have a handfull of people at the top
voilently exploiting the people for their own benefit, which is the
same as the State.
*This is why the language is useless, or at best difficult. The
Stalinist/Maoist regimes haven't been functionally, significantly
different than the fascist is real world result.
*IMO if you support Castro, and Chavez you support a fascist, and
proto-fascist.

I have to say, you nailed it this time, Bill.

free monkeys dot com summarizes nicely:
http://freedomkeys.com/isms.htm

"This is why the language is useless, or at best difficult." -- Bill C

"If language restricts what you may do, destroy it." -- The Socialist