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Old August 2nd 13, 10:02 PM posted to uk.media.tv.misc,uk.rec.cycling,uk.rec.driving
Judith[_4_]
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On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 19:48:42 +0100, Bertie Wooster
wrote:

On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 17:40:29 +0100, JNugent
wrote:

On 02/08/2013 16:08, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 14:54:20 +0100, JNugent
wrote:

On 02/08/2013 11:12, Bertie Wooster wrote:

JNugent wrote:

ITYF that the car driver is still expected to anticipate such hazards

I will *not* "find" that, for the simple and obvious reason that it is
not true. You are mistaking the general duty to react in amelioration
(where possible) of other peoples' bad behaviour as a duty to ensure or
guarantee that the bad behaviour cannot have any negative effects on the
person behaving badly.

That people may act negligently does not oblige others to act as if the
negligence is permanently under way. Everyone has a right to expect
everyone else to obey the rules insofar as they might impinge on one's
own rights.

If that is the case, what do you make of the cyclist who, as described
in another thread, mowed down a young child on a pedestrian crossing.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-23492094

From what you appear to be saying, so long as the lights on the
pedestrian crossing were green for the cyclist, and the cyclist wasn't
engaged in wanton or furious cycling, no offence occurred (section 170
of the 1988 road traffic act does not apply to cyclists).

Was it a pelicon, or a zebra, crossing?

Please be pinpoint clear in your answer (one patent possibility being
that you don't know the answer, which need not be your fault) and be
aware that I may have a supplementary question upon the answer to which
any response to your question would hang.

Pelicon, he
http://goo.gl/maps/bMJI8
http://goo.gl/maps/1XfpP
http://goo.gl/maps/CPhwL


Supplementary question(s):

1. Was the light red for the carriageway traffic when the collision
occurred?

Choose from:

(a) Yes
(b) No
(c) I don't know.

2. If the answer to (1) is (b), could the cyclist nevertheless has
avoided huitting and injuring the pedestrian using the crossing (whether
the pedestrian was using the crossing properly or not)?

Choose from:

(a) Yes
(b) No
(c) I don't know.


c, c.




Well what a surprise.


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