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Old February 16th 20, 02:00 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
jnugent
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Default Pedestrian and cyclist taken to Frimley Park Hospital followingcrash in Fleet

On 16/02/2020 12:45, TMS320 wrote:

On 16/02/2020 11:56, JNugent wrote:
On 15/02/2020 18:05, TMS320 wrote:


The application for a provisional licence is the part that is no
different from accessing other government services.


If an applicant answered the question "Can you meet the legal eyesight
standards for driving using glasses or corrective lenses if needed?"
with a "No", would the provisional licence be granted?


If a provisional licence is issued on wrong information, the applicant
would not be able to complete the driving test.


If he has been banned from driving in (say) Australia or Iraq, how will
that physically prevent him from taking, and even passing, a UK test?

I accept that he will not be issued the licence if he honestly declares
the disqualification, but that is precisely my point: the system relies
upon honesty on the part of the individual. Perhaps it ought not to, but
it does.

Anything to with the luxury of driving should require the driver to
jump through the necessary hoops. No need to involve taxpayers. The
precedent exists for drivers of goods and public service vehicles.


Anything other than an automatic "Yes" involves extra cost,
necessarily impacting public funds (anf thereby the taxpayer). Perhaps
you think that officer time and official resources don't cost anything.


In any true/false procedure a false means that subsequent tests don't
need to be done. Letters need to be sent out either way so it's
difficult to see where cost is added.


You are assuming honest answers to questions where a truthful answer
will mean refusal. I am reminding you that that is the textbook
definition of trusting the individuual to be honest.

Nevertheless, the applicant is trusted to be telling the truth about
his identity and about not having a prior record under another name
(and/or in another country, which is assuming more importance these
days). He is also trusted about things like epilepsy and other
conditions which can, but most of the time don't, affect the ability
to drive safely.


People find loopholes but it's probably quite difficult for most people
born and brought up in this country to get round an identity check
through straighforward dishonesty.


The biggest "loophole" in interactions with the state is that it relies
upon honesty, probably too much.

"Have you done any paid work since you last signed as unemployed?"

"Er... no...".
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