On Sunday, January 17, 2021 at 11:16:25 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/17/2021 12:49 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Sunday, January 17, 2021 at 8:59:52 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/16/2021 4:54 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Friday, January 15, 2021 at 5:21:00 PM UTC-8, wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jan 2021 06:11:04 +0700, John B.
wrote:
https://patternsofevidence.com/2019/...irst-alphabet/
"the first Hebrew writing is called “Old Hebrew†or “Paleo-Hebrew.â€
This is known from inscriptions found from about 900 BC in the
kingdoms of Israel and Judah until the destruction of the Temple in
Jerusalem and the exile of many of Judah’s inhabitants to Babylon
around 586 BC."
More on Old Hebrew:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleo-Hebrew_alphabet
Compare the Old Hebrew characters with the Hebrew characters in the
right hand column. A few a close, but most are very different.

Aramaic is the base alphabet for most of the middle eastern languages.
Notice on the chart that the Imperial Aramaic and Hebrew characters
are fairly similar:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aramaic_alphabet#Letters

So, why are some characters radically different while others seem to
copied from older character sets? What happened is that the spoken
languages are not necessarily written in the written language of the
same name. Sometimes, the spoken language for a region is a common
language, such as Aramaic was in biblical times. Everyone spoke
Aramaic, but wrote it in a variety of character sets. Sometimes,
either or both the language and character set is specific to the
region, trade, politics, status, etc.

For example, the Emperor of Japan during WWII had a very different
spoke language than what was spoken by the common people. That was to
isolate the Emperor from the common people. That worked well until
the Emperor Hirohito had to give his famous "Bear the Unbearable"
speech near the end of WWII. It went out over loudspeakers and radio
to all over Japan. Nobody could understand what he was saying, so it
had to be repeated by someone else in the language of the common
people.

This kind to stratification was very common in biblical times. The
priesthood had their own language and character set. The various
merchants all spoke Aramaic, but used the written language familiar to
those with whom they were trading.

Something similar happened with the decoding of the Rosetta Stone. It
was the same proclamation written in Egyptian hieroglyphs, Coptic, and
Greek. Greek and Coptic could be read, but not the hieroglyphics.
What Champollion determined was that hieroglyphs could be read just
like Latin characters, where each symbol represents a sound in spoken
Egyptian. By substituting the similar Coptic equivalents for the
hieroglyphs, Egyptian could be read.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosetta_Stone#Reading_the_Rosetta_Stone

If you go to Hawaii, they say Hawaiian place names in the native
Hawaiian spoken language, but since there wasn't a written language,
they just borrowed the Latin characters and pronunciation. Same thing
in biblical times. Language and characters were fairly independent.

Modern Hebrew is also quite different from biblical Hebrew. When the
Zionist movement setup the framework for what was eventually to become
Israel, they had a problem with the language. Hebrew was the language
of the bible and was not easily converted to something that could be
used for everyday commerce. For example, it has very few technical
terms. In an effort to find a quick fix, Theodor Hertzl wanted to use
Yiddish, which is mediaeval German, as the official language of
Israel. Yiddish uses the written Hebrew alphabet, but is spoken in
German. It's much like Polish and Russian are fairly similar spoken
languages, but Polish is written using Latin characters, while Russian
uses Cyrillic (Greek) characters.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UB5MtF70xe8

Anyway, I hope this helps disconnect spoken and written languages.
My mother's name was Herz which is nothing more than one of the many spelling variations of Hertz, Hertzl , Herzle etc. which was the Austrian Royal Family. What isn't a matter of discussion is that Moses spoke Aramaic even if he could understand Hebrew. He also spoke and understood middle Egyptian and Median. Moses received not just the Ten Commandments but the Torah or "law" We have that until today. The Talmud is a scholarly interpretation of the Torah and the prophesies of Moses.

So was her name Herz or Habsburg?
I certainly didn't pull that out of my hat, or from some vague family rumor: that was discovered on an internet search trying to discover something about my grandfather whom the only thing I know about is a picture of him bouncing me on his knee when I was a baby. I considered it comical since there are no Royal Families accepted in this country but the English house. I don't think that Habsburg was a name but a place in Switzerland and the name was something like John of Habsburg or the like. I think I gave the source at the time I discovered it. I can't find any reference at this time. Perhaps it was more Ancestry.com bull****. They would have a great deal of trouble tracing my heritage because so many people entered this country illegally. In the late 1800's you had to enter through the Port of New York, the Port of Seattle and the Port of San Francisco where you could register as an immigrant and file for citizenship. Since most people entered from elsewhere they had to file a
t these places for citizenship and if you were illiterate you bypassed that. Inasmuch as your children were automatically citizens and there was no such thing as ICE in those days it really didn't much matter.

The Habsburgs came down out of CH in about 1000 and ruled
Austria for the next almost millenium including quite an
extensive greater Austrian Empire for the latter few
centuries. This is news?

Any family resemblance to this woman?

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/7f/9d...bf53db1b07.jpg
Except for being blonde and never wearing a corset, yes, but that doesn't mean a thing.