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Old September 4th 11, 03:49 PM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,rec.bicycles.soc
JimmyMac
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On Sep 2, 12:25*pm, JimmyMac wrote:
On Sep 1, 4:53*am, "Edward Dolan" wrote:



On Aug 12, 4:59 pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
[...]


You are embarked on a wild goose chase which will do nothing to enhance
your
long term prospects.
[...]
Your opinion has been noted for what it is ... fallacious. I will let


you in on a few things that if you weren't such a lazy ass, you'd be
able to learn for yourself. It is now generally accepted that 30-90%
of all cancer is diet related.


Yes, but over a lifetime. I could just as easily say that cancer is life
related. Live long enough and those cells will eventually go crazy somewhere
in your body.


Cancer is more than merely life related. *It is life choice related.

There is a strong association of high


intake of Omega-6 fats and the occurrence of prostate cancer and the
degree of its aggressiveness. The fact is that nutrition plays a
major role in the sensitivity and likelihood of developing cancer.


All Americans have more or less the same diet.


This is an absolutely false statement. *Various ethnicities have
different diets and the health conscious eat more organically and then
there are the vegetarians and vegans.

Yet all Americans do not get
cancer. Most especially, all men do not get prostate cancer, at least not to
the point where it is going to cause death.


First off, cancer is not American-centric as I have previously
indicated. *All Americans do not get cancer, but all to many do! *The
percentage of men getting prostate cancer is very high and the trend
is for prostate cancer to be contracted earlier than in the past. *Why
do you think that is? *As concerns death, most prostate cancer is a
slow growing non-aggressive form that allows for other maladies to
cause death before prostate cancer does, so your point is rendered
moot.

The health of our DNA is nutrient dependent, as is our ability to


repair DNA damage. Cancer begins with mutated faulty genes. Free
radicals damage DNA, which when not repaired, is passed on through
replication. A shortage of antioxidants inhibit the DNA repair
process. Many cells have special cancer growth genes called
protooncogenes which if turned on from the unrepaired DNA causes
normal cells to be transformed into cancer cells that replicate
uncontrollably. What wakes up (read turns on) these genes and
precipitates cancer are viruses, chemicals, infections, radiation,
foreign bodies, and nutritional deficiencies, especially deficiency of
folate.


Nope, too many possible causes, which means cancer is still not understood.


In your opinion you forgot to add. *Much is yet to be learned about
the disease, but what is know is that which you stubbornly refuse to
acknowledge. *Of course, you are entitled to your ignorance.

Exposure to these causative factors result in the formation


of free radicals and chronic inflammation leading to cancer. Once
cancer cells are established they have an enormous appetite for
sugar,, iron and glutamate. A seaweed extract foo additive commonly
found in baked goods and ice cream, (CARRAGEENEN) promotes the
aggressive growth and spread of cancer by stimulating the COX-2
enzyme.


None of the above is known for sure. If it were, there would be a standard
treatment given to all cancer patients to prevent its reoccurrence.


First off, not all cancers are created equal and require the same
treatment. *Protocol for treatment is somewhat standardized. *It is
called standard of care, but that evolves as more is learned of the
disease. *Regardless, your conclusion does not strictly follow from
your premise. *This is a logical fallacy known as a non-sequitor, one
of your favorites.

I could go on and on here, but it should be obvious that I


know far more more about the biology of the disease than does Ed
Dolan, not that that in any way hinders him from running his mouth and
offering errant opinion stated as though fact.


"You are embarked on a wild goose chase which will do nothing to enhance
your
long term prospects." - Ed Dolan


Repeating your copy and paste fallacious assertion does not make it
so. *Argumentum ad nauseam (argument to the point of disgust; i.e., by
repetition). *This is the logical fallacy of trying to prove something
by saying it again and again. *No matter how many times you repeat
something, it will not become any more true than it was with the
initial utterance.

Nope, I haven't heard or seen anything advising men not to eat dairy or
red
meat. This would be headline news if it were true. In fact, it would be on
a
par with the campaign against tobacco.
You haven't heard because you have chosen not to hear. The campaign


against tobacco also was repressed and got off to a slow start after
the evidence was in and the truth were known. Much of this has to do
with deep pocket lobbying interest since a lot of money is at stake.
Regardless, the information is there for those who care to educate
themselves, but you are not among those that choose to be
enlightened. No surprise there.


Ah yes, the old conspiracy notion of why things do not get done according to
so and so. No doubt the doctors want people to get sick too, otherwise they
would be out of business.


You are putting words in my mouth. *I didn't state that doctors want
people to get sick too so they would have patients to attend to, but
lobbying interest backed by money are a fact of life that will always
be with us. *That much is a given.

The main FACT you need to get acquainted with is that we are all victims of
whatever culture we live in. There is no escaping it unless you want to live
alone in the wilds of Alaska hunting and gathering like Chris McCandless of
"Into the Wild" (he died of food poisoning and starvation).


A single person who dies of food poisoning and/or starvation does not
to bolster your argument in the least. *The main FACT that you need to
get acquainted with is that we need not be enslaved by the culture
that we born into and live in. *Truth be told, it is becoming tedious
to attempt to reason with a man so unreasonable.

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota


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