fbloogyudsr wrote:
Vincent Wilcox wrote:
I apologise in advance for the crosspost but would like the input of
our esteemed US counterparts in this discussion. I have of course
included as closely as I can match the same or similar two groups. It
is basically a question of Montana providing the hard evidence that
is needed to drop speed limits, below is my initial take on the
situation and a repost to the above, this is opinion and I look
forward to views.
You don't state your opinion very well, your post is very disorganized
and incoherent. I'm guessing that you want lower speed limits and
want to find statistics that say that lower speed limits save lives. That
is demonstrably not the case, in terms of fatality *RATE*.
Its true, long night, sorry. No I am looking/thinking more about
compliance. Countries where the majority comply seem to do better than
countries where compliance is lower. I'd love to see the figures for
Mogadishu.
Think Greece versus Sweden for example, population of Greece 11M Sweden
9M but which country do you suppose is better at obeying simple things
like limits?
http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=U&sta...003.pdf&e=9707
Montana had a reduction in fatalities from 1995 to 1996 of 11% the
year the speed limit was removed. It is noted that the fatalities in
the later part of the year are reduced[1], what time in 95 were the
restrictions removed?
Why did Montana have a 31% increase in fatalities for the period
1996/97[1]?
It was a blip. They immediately went back down the next year. See:
http://www-fars.nhtsa.dot.gov/finalr...Fatality_Rates
Whats the margin here? It looks like Montana has barely changed over the
entire period.
The question is this, is Montana representative of the rest of the
world?
No. They are not even representative of the US. Note that the fatality
rate is different for MT than the majority of the US (see my reference.)
Since about 2000 they have had a 75mph limit, with very poor compliance
(I've driven there, and it's more like 85mph, as is Arizona, where the
fatality rate is in line with the US average.)
Poor compliance. Greece versus Sweden?
Please read in the report you posted: the rural (non-interstate)
roads have a very high fatality count and rate. Speeds on interstates
haven't affected the rate, and in fact it is now lower than in the period
before '97, in line with the rest of the US.
But not lower than earlier figures. A plateau? Why?
Speed limit compliance (especially on interstates - motorways for
you UK guys) in the US is not very good. The WA DOT publishes data
showing that:
Ok.
http://www-fars.nhtsa.dot.gov/finalr...Fatality_Rates
Also, please note the section in the report you mention that talks
about *HOW* speed limits should be set (on page 5: FHWA). There
is no way to align your opinion with demonstrated facts from scientific
studies that support these guidelines.
Floyd
Fine, but which states employ the most effective/draconian (depending
upon perspective) enforcement? How has that affected things?