On 02/08/2013 06:38, tim..... wrote:

"JNugent" wrote in message
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On 01/08/2013 22:41, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Thu, 1 Aug 2013 22:21:11 +0100, "Thumper"
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"NY" wrote in message
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"Truebrit" wrote in message
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Turning left/right (delete as applicable) is probably a good one.
What do
pedestrian lights show during this time? Green/walk? It needs
pedestrians
to be aware that cars will turn, even if they (cars) *should* give
way to
them.
When the pedestrian green man goes out there is about 20-30 seconds
before the traffic lights start to change from red to green. So no
excuse for a pedestrian to still be crossing.

Is there any legal requirement for pedestrians to wait while the red
symbol is showing? Or do pedestrians have an unrestricted right to
cross the highway (other than motorways and other restricted use
highways)?

It isn't an offence to cross against red, if that's what you mean.
But that is far from being an "unfettered" right to walk out across
the carriageway into the path of approaching traffic.
If a pedestrian is injured or worse as a result of doing so, he may
find that he can obtain no compensation because he is the only on who
has been negligent.

ITYF that the car driver is still expected to anticipate such hazards

I will *not* "find" that, for the simple and obvious reason that it is
not true. You are mistaking the general duty to react in amelioration
(where possible) of other peoples' bad behaviour as a duty to ensure or
guarantee that the bad behaviour cannot have any negative effects on the
person behaving badly.

That people may act negligently does not oblige others to act as if the
negligence is permanently under way. Everyone has a right to expect
everyone else to obey the rules insofar as they might impinge on one's
own rights.