On 2/8/2020 10:48 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sat, 8 Feb 2020 15:56:25 -0800, sms
wrote:

On 2/8/2020 3:14 PM, John B. wrote:

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Yes, he used to engage in quite aggressive guerilla marketing of those flashlights as bicycle lights as well as the assorted kludged mounts for them.

He still avows that you can't drill a hole for and install a Rivnut without destroying the bike unless you have a fully equipped machine shop.

I ignore most of his stances on everything.

Cheers

Another example of "mine" is better than "yours", except it is verbal
rather than material...

LOL, wow, Sir Ridesalot ignores my stances on everything, but still
reads it voraciously! OTOH he's been in my filter list for years since I
find no value in anything he writes.

The key thing is to lead by example. Don't try to tell people what to
do, explain to them why you made the choices you made. If they are
making bad choices maybe gently explain, with cites, why they might want
to reconsider their position.

I.e., your obsession with drilling holes in your frame may be fine for
you, but it's pretty important that people understand why they shouldn't
grab their power drill and do the same thing. Citing the opinions of
experts, as well as explaining the frame warranty policies of the
bicycle manufacturers, may upset you, but I'm pretty certain that you
understand why people might not want to copy what you do.

Firstly, a fact. Bicycle manufacturers drill holes in bike frames.
Do you believe that there are special tubes made, and used, when a
hole is to be placed in a frame? If you are that ignorant than a
perusal of any tube maker's catalogs will certainly teach you
differently.

As for an expert opinion? I believe that you are quoting Brandt who
rode a bicycle that had holes in the frame, as any photo will show
you.

I have no desire for people to copy what I do, but I do have a great
deal of dislike for those who tell lies simply to attempt to inflate
their, imagined, image as an expert.



IMVAIO, the Zefal Gizmo Clamps, the KLICKFix Bottle Fix, and the Minoura
bottle cage holder, are solutions to the problem that do not have the
downside of weakening the frame or allowing water to get inside the
frame. They look no worse that the various clamps that hold other
accessories, such as computers, onto the bicycle.

Everyone would prefer that their frame has cage bosses from the factory,
be they braze-ons or factory installed Rivnuts. When this is not the
case, the prudent method for adding bottle mounts is to use one of the
many clamps that are available.

Prudent? How so?

You lack the physical dexterity and the knowledge to successfully
drill a hole in a tube? . Or perhaps you lack the tools (a ruler) and
the knowledge to accurately locate the desired holes? Certainly in
that case I would suggest that you don't drill a hole

So yes, it is very possible that you should not drill holes in bicycle
frames as you appear to lack the skill and knowledge to do so
successfully.

You are really a very pitiful person, aren't you.

Careful, John! You're one step away from joining Sir, me and several
others on Scharf's "filter list." It's what he does with people who
prove he spouts a lot of nonsense.

It's the internet equivalent of covering one's ears and singing "La la
la, I can't hear you!" Very mature!

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- Frank Krygowski