On 5/12/2018 8:11 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/12/2018 6:49 PM, Radey Shouman wrote:
David Scheidt writes:

Frank Krygowski wrote:
:On 5/11/2018 4:10 PM, David Scheidt wrote:
: Frank Krygowski wrote:
: :On 5/10/2018 11:19 PM, David Scheidt wrote:
: : Frank Krygowski wrote:
: : :On 5/10/2018 6:15 PM, John B. wrote:
: : :
: : : I suspect that you, like I, are what might be
called a sensible rider.
: : : RE, door zones, just slow down a bit so you have
time to dodge the
: : : door if necessary.
: :
: : :Um... no, that's not sensible.
: :
: : :Consider what happens if you're riding just 15 kph
and a driver pops his
: : :door open as you pass his rear bumper. There's no
way to stop in time.
: :
: : :If you're lucky, you'll hit his door squarely and
crumple beneath it. If
: : :you're unlucky, you'll snag the door edge with
your right handlebar, the
: : :bike will steer to the right, your body will be
thrown down to the left,
: : :and the motor vehicle you were worried about will
run over you.
: :
: : :Unlike mountain lion attacks, dooring really is a
danger. Most states
: : :don't record it as a car-bike collision, because
they record those only
: : :if the car was moving. But Chicago did keep track,
and found that
: : :something like 20% of car-bike crashes were doorings.
: :
: : And we have a $1000 fine for causing an accident by
dooring -- and the
: : cops write the tickets.
: :
: : on't ride in the door zone. Just don't.
: :
: : Yeah, you live in smallsville. If I don't ride in
the door zone, it
: : takes me three times as long to get to work.
:
: :Why are those the only choices? Details, please. What
happens if you
: :move a few feet left?
:
: My commute invovles riding past a mile (literally, one
mile) of cars
: that are stopped at stop signs or lights. Riding
between them and
: parked cars gets me to the light or sign in one
cycle. Moving to the
: left puts me in stopped traffic.

:OK. That's an unusual situation, one that I think is
quite rare. We

Sounds like progress. Several years ago I described
riding past more
than a mile of cars on a typical commute (not even
properly in the
city), and you simply refused to concede that such a thing
was possible,
never having observed it in your global travels.

I was being nice. I'm still pretty skeptical. Example: David
says the backup is "one mile (literally one mile)" but he
says if he rides past in the door zone he gets gets to the
light in one cycle.

The most common traffic light cycles are one minute, split
evenly between the two directions. OK, maybe this light has
longer cycles - say two minutes instead of one. Is he really
averaging 30 miles per hour as he rides past one mile of
cars in the door zone?

And I'm still curious about which city he's riding - and
now, which city you're riding in.

But again, I think such a situation must be pretty rare.
Give me more information to educate me.



typically:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfPebMP6SMg

including a non-fatal door at 6:33. I skipped through the 18
minutes, noting there are bike stripes which weren't there
back when I ride North Clark from time to time. Overall, on
one street, you get a representational mix of urban commuter
joys and sorrows.

Nothing wrong with taking a lane when appropriate but it's
not always appropriate. Or reasonable.

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