On Wed, 28 Aug 2019 08:38:37 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Wednesday, August 28, 2019 at 2:54:45 AM UTC-7, Duane wrote:
John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Wed, 28 Aug 2019 01:39:47 -0000 (UTC), Duane
wrote:

John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Tue, 27 Aug 2019 23:49:48 -0000 (UTC), Duane
wrote:

John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Tue, 27 Aug 2019 09:57:36 -0000 (UTC), Duane
wrote:

John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Tue, 27 Aug 2019 01:29:00 -0000 (UTC), Duane
wrote:

John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Mon, 26 Aug 2019 11:52:29 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 8/26/2019 1:24 AM, James wrote:
On 26/8/19 1:48 am, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 8/24/2019 9:58 PM, James wrote:
On 25/8/19 7:36 am, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Saturday, August 24, 2019 at 2:18:05 PM UTC-7, James wrote:
On 25/8/19 5:18 am, Tom Kunich wrote:


I have never used "carbon paste" for anything and can't
imagine why.


Imagine harder.

-- JS

Why? I have had CF frames for a long time. I've never even SEEN
"carbon paste" let alone used it for anything.



Because you complained about a CF seat post slipping.* You wrote:

"In one point it again made that noise and it appears that it was
the seat post moving. Think that I'll throw away that Campy Carbon
*seatpost and install an aluminum one."

So Tom is a case in point. He's got to be more mechanically competent
*than most recreational cyclists. He's got decades of experience. But
*even he doesn't know that carbon paste is recommended for many part
*interfaces.

I think there must be tens of thousands of newbies who will know less
*than that, and will over-torque or otherwise damage lightweight CF
parts, especially as CF gets less expensive and more common.



To be fair, it is easy to over torque many fasteners on a modern bicycle
that have no CF involved.

Most A head stems, for example, are aluminium and spec'ed for ~7 Nm.
Easy when you own a reasonable torque wrench designed for that low
torque range, and easy to strip for those with fists of ham.

And it's been easy to over torque stuff and damage parts for
generations.* All cranks for square taper BBs for example.* If you
properly grease the axle and nut or bolt, it is easy to pull a crank on
too far by over torquing the fastener.

Heck, if you over tighten spoke nipples you'll pull a nipple through an
aluminium rim sooner or later, or damage a hub or break spokes!

That's true, but the examples you gave pertain mostly to either
lightweight equipment or equipment (cranks, spokes) that the casual
cyclist doesn't typically deal with.

Casual cyclists are the ones who are least likely to have torque
wrenches, or to bother reading manuals for torque specs. Those people
are most likely to adjust just a few things: Saddle height and tilt,
stem height, handlebar tilt, and left-to-right handlebar straightness.
Those can and should be designed to withstand ham-fisted newbie
mechanics, and to not require exotic elixers that ordinary homeowners
have never heard of.

Maybe this could be a compromise: Make every bike in two models. One
model would withstand the hacking of a typical garage mechanic. The
other model would require a torque table and torque wrench. But the
delicate model would come with bright red or bright yellow "DELICATE!"
labels permanently fastened at every vulnerable joint. And somewhere on
the frame, another bright yellow label saying "This DELICATE model is
124 grams [or whatever] lighter than its stronger mate."

A great idea. Then of course, I can print up some labels saying "125
grams lighter" for those that want to be just that little bit better
:-)
--
But you guys don?t mock anyone do ya?


In the words of the great Carl Marx, "from those according to their
ability and to each according to their needs".
--

Cheers,

John B.


Cute.

No. History.
--

Cheers,

John B.


No, I meant you. Not Marx.

Who gets to define “needs”?

Given what appears to be the present U.S. political system it
apparently hasn't changed any since at least the 1700's. The "needy"
are, as always, the guys you want to vote for you.
--

Cheers,



Needs. Not needy. What are you on about? We were talking about cycling
and required equipment. Do you just google out of context words to find
nifty quotes?


I guess I probably do. I was replying to the guy who wrote, " Who
gets to define “needs”?"

Needy - "needy ~ adj 1. poor enough to need help from others"

--

Which is not needs.



Cheers,

John B.
duane

John live3s in a foreign country so that he can live upper class. Then he tells us that socialism which he himself doesn't practice is intellectual.

Nope :-) I live in a foreign country because I prefer to live in this
particular country.

As for socialism (how did that get into the conversation?) it is
usually just a method of insulating the proletariat from their own
shortcomings.

On one hand we have those like Frank who retired with what is
apparently a reasonable income and then we have others who brag about
their $4,000 bicycle and, at the same time, bemoan the cost of
groceries.
--

Cheers,

John B.