On Wed, 28 Aug 2019 12:29:54 -0000 (UTC), Duane
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John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Wed, 28 Aug 2019 09:54:43 -0000 (UTC), Duane
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John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Wed, 28 Aug 2019 01:39:47 -0000 (UTC), Duane
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John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Tue, 27 Aug 2019 23:49:48 -0000 (UTC), Duane
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John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Tue, 27 Aug 2019 09:57:36 -0000 (UTC), Duane
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John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Tue, 27 Aug 2019 01:29:00 -0000 (UTC), Duane
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John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Mon, 26 Aug 2019 11:52:29 -0400, Frank Krygowski
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On 8/26/2019 1:24 AM, James wrote:
On 26/8/19 1:48 am, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 8/24/2019 9:58 PM, James wrote:
On 25/8/19 7:36 am, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Saturday, August 24, 2019 at 2:18:05 PM UTC-7, James wrote:
On 25/8/19 5:18 am, Tom Kunich wrote:
I have never used "carbon paste" for anything and can't
imagine why.
Imagine harder.
-- JS
Why? I have had CF frames for a long time. I've never even SEEN
"carbon paste" let alone used it for anything.
Because you complained about a CF seat post slipping.* You wrote:
"In one point it again made that noise and it appears that it was
the seat post moving. Think that I'll throw away that Campy Carbon
*seatpost and install an aluminum one."
So Tom is a case in point. He's got to be more mechanically competent
*than most recreational cyclists. He's got decades of experience. But
*even he doesn't know that carbon paste is recommended for many part
*interfaces.
I think there must be tens of thousands of newbies who will know less
*than that, and will over-torque or otherwise damage lightweight CF
parts, especially as CF gets less expensive and more common.
To be fair, it is easy to over torque many fasteners on a modern bicycle
that have no CF involved.
Most A head stems, for example, are aluminium and spec'ed for ~7 Nm.
Easy when you own a reasonable torque wrench designed for that low
torque range, and easy to strip for those with fists of ham.
And it's been easy to over torque stuff and damage parts for
generations.* All cranks for square taper BBs for example.* If you
properly grease the axle and nut or bolt, it is easy to pull a crank on
too far by over torquing the fastener.
Heck, if you over tighten spoke nipples you'll pull a nipple through an
aluminium rim sooner or later, or damage a hub or break spokes!
That's true, but the examples you gave pertain mostly to either
lightweight equipment or equipment (cranks, spokes) that the casual
cyclist doesn't typically deal with.
Casual cyclists are the ones who are least likely to have torque
wrenches, or to bother reading manuals for torque specs. Those people
are most likely to adjust just a few things: Saddle height and tilt,
stem height, handlebar tilt, and left-to-right handlebar straightness.
Those can and should be designed to withstand ham-fisted newbie
mechanics, and to not require exotic elixers that ordinary homeowners
have never heard of.
Maybe this could be a compromise: Make every bike in two models. One
model would withstand the hacking of a typical garage mechanic. The
other model would require a torque table and torque wrench. But the
delicate model would come with bright red or bright yellow "DELICATE!"
labels permanently fastened at every vulnerable joint. And somewhere on
the frame, another bright yellow label saying "This DELICATE model is
124 grams [or whatever] lighter than its stronger mate."
A great idea. Then of course, I can print up some labels saying "125
grams lighter" for those that want to be just that little bit better
:-)
--
But you guys don?t mock anyone do ya?
In the words of the great Carl Marx, "from those according to their
ability and to each according to their needs".
--
Cheers,
John B.
Cute.
No. History.
--
Cheers,
John B.
No, I meant you. Not Marx.
Who gets to define ?needs??
Given what appears to be the present U.S. political system it
apparently hasn't changed any since at least the 1700's. The "needy"
are, as always, the guys you want to vote for you.
--
Cheers,
Needs. Not needy. What are you on about? We were talking about cycling
and required equipment. Do you just google out of context words to find
nifty quotes?
I guess I probably do. I was replying to the guy who wrote, " Who
gets to define ?needs??"
Needy - "needy ~ adj 1. poor enough to need help from others"
--
Which is not needs.
Cheers,
John B.
I can only assume that you don't have your dictionary handy.
needs ~ adv 1. in such a manner as could not be otherwise
1. require as useful, just, or proper
2. have need of
This piano needs the attention of a competent tuner
3. have or feel a need for
always needs friends and money
need ~ noun uncommon
1. a condition requiring relief
she satisfied his need for affection;
2. anything that is necessary but lacking
he had sufficient means to meet his simple needs; I tried to supply
his wants
3. the psychological feature that arouses an organism to action
toward a desired goal; the reason for the action; that which gives
purpose and direction to behavior
4. a state of extreme poverty or destitution
their indigence appalled him; a general state of need exists among the
homeless
Got it?
--
Cheers,
John B.
And you just pointed out before that needy means being poor enough to
require help from others.
If you don’t see the difference I give up. Google something else.
And if you don’t want a CF road bike, don’t buy one. I don’t need one but
I want one and I’m not so needy that I can’t afford one.
It is obvious that in today's U.S. "needy" is no longer a matter of
life and death - but largely a matter of the individual's emotions or
imagination as I read that:
https://www.heritage.org/poverty-and...overty-america
Forty-three percent of all poor households actually own their own
homes. The average home owned by persons classified as poor by the
Census Bureau is a three-bedroom house with one-and-a-half baths, a
garage, and a porch or patio.
Eighty percent of poor households have air conditioning. By contrast,
in 1970, only 36 percent of the entire U.S. population enjoyed air
conditioning.
Only 6 percent of poor households are overcrowded. More than
two-thirds have more than two rooms per person.
The average poor American has more living space than the average
individual living in Paris, London, Vienna, Athens, and other cities
throughout Europe. (These comparisons are to the average citizens in
foreign countries )
Nearly three-quarters of poor households own a car; 31 percent own two
or more cars.
Ninety-seven percent of poor households have a color television; over
half own two or more color televisions.
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Cheers,
John B.