On Jan 31, 9:33*pm, francis wrote:
On Jan 31, 8:59*pm, Tom Crispin



wrote:
On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 10:29:41 -0800 (PST), Nuxx Bar

wrote:
The car-hating trolls here think that there shouldn't be traffic-
actuated lights anyway. *They want fixed-time lights (and plenty of
them) so that motorists get held up unnecessarily when nothing's
coming the other way, and they like them to be synched so that
motorists have to stop at every set (just like that not-at-all-anti-
motorist ****** Livingstone liked to do). *As far as the trolls are
concerned, cyclists need not worry about red lights, as they can just
treat them as "give way" lines.

Completely wrong.

What we want is steel barriers to come down across the road, with gaps
for cyclists to go through in safety, but which prevent cars from
going anywhere with any meaningful speed.

But of course the average cyclist would not be able to go through the
gap & would have to cycle on the pavement so he could feel safe.

Unless the pavement was in fact a cycle lane, in which case the
average cyclist would avoid it like the plague.