On Nov 4, 3:54*pm, dgk wrote:
On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:27:24 -0800 (PST), Andre Jute





wrote:
On Nov 3, 4:27*am, ComandanteBanana wrote:
On Nov 2, 9:21*pm, Andre Jute wrote:

On Nov 3, 2:07*am, "(PeteCresswell)" wrote:

Per ComandanteBanana:

"They are often being vandalized in a socially divided Paris by
resentful, angry or anarchic youth, the police and sociologists say."

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/31/wo...html?_r=2&page...

I'm not the least bit religious, but I've got say that the sages
had a pretty good working hypothesis with Original Sin.
--
PeteCresswell

I wondered how a bunch of pimply teenage vandals were suddenly
elevated to the doubtful dignity of "terrorists" even in Banana's
distorted worldview.

I classify rebels in two classes: WITHOUT A CAUSE (as glorified by
Hollywood) and WITH A CAUSE.

I'm not a fan of either. I'm a reformer.

But I don't like neither one when they seem to hate society and
destroy things.

We're still in agreement. I've never met a revo who knew what he would
put in place of whatever he was hot to destroy that week.

I'm sure you are a fan of James Dean,

He was a fine actor, but unlike idiots like you, I don't confuse the
man with the actor's roles.

but I like peace and safety in
the jungle.

I'm a counter-revolutionary in that I think the entire point of
government is to extend, cultivate and protect the middle classes.
This is wealth distribution by pulling the poor into the mainstream,
not the socialist ideal of pulling everyone down to the same level of
misery.

Andre Jute
Oldfashioned liberal

I believe the socialist ideal was to make sure that the fruits of
labor were divided equitably, not that everyone should be miserable.
It may have worked that way in practice, but that was not the intent.

Here, in the USA, the shining example of capitalism, we have a society
where we cannot afford to have healthcare for all. Nor can we keep our
parks nice, or our cities clean, or our people educated. We can,
however, spend huge amounts of money for two unnecessary wars. There's
a great thought isn't it, unnecessary war.

Of course, the excesses of the wealthy, led by Greenspan and Rubin,
have pretty much pushed our financial system to the limit, which will
drain more wealth from the middle class to prop it back up. I don't
think Obama will succeed in trying to undue the disaster of the
Clinton/Bush years because he's just a centerist democrat. But I sure
hope he does, because otherwise we're going to see facism here.- Hide quoted text -

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What can say, brother, that was a TRIP. The way things will recorded
in history if we ever have to write it.

And no bicycles and no honest people here either.