On 6/25/2019 10:44 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, June 25, 2019 at 6:49:54 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Sunday, June 23, 2019 at 6:19:42 PM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/23/2019 6:00 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jun 2019 14:51:23 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Sunday, June 23, 2019 at 1:34:14 PM UTC-7, Chalo wrote:
It baffles me a bit that bike manufacturers keep moving incrementally towards the American pattern BB, which has always worked but which they somehow pretend doesn't exist. Why ignore a time-proven design that is free and open, to make a half-assed approximation of it that has problems?

You are expecting engineers to all have the same educations and the same historic knowledge. In fact most engineers believe themselves smarter than those who came before. We are seeing the same thing with the Millennial Generation wo think that older people are stupid and they are God's gift to the universe.

Certainly true and apparently has been true since man started walking
erect and very likely due to two things. One that the world is
changing and unless you keep up with it you are "stupid" in the sense
that you know less than someone with a more modern education. On the
other hand "modern chaps" will often not know stuff that an older
person will think "everybody knows that".

An engineer that worked for me used to tell a story about how he had
been tasked with designing a wooden bridge and couldn't find a thing
concerning wooden bridge building in any of his engineering books. He
finally located an old retired engineer who had worked 30 or 40 years
for the railroad and had designed and built wooden bridges who told
him "all the secrets".
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cheers,

John B.


Daughter asked today if grandson could drive my 1966 Malibu
to rack up more 'driving practice' for his temp license.
It's a column shift 3 speed and even though I offered
instruction time, they passed on it.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

My Dad had a F100 from early 70s or late 60s with "three on the tree" shifting. And a clutch that had about one foot of travel to engage. It was fun to drive that 30 plus years ago.

Do kids today even know what a manual is, let alone how to drive a manual? I think many or most adults 50 and under have never driven one. USA.

A lot of kids are capable driving a clutch but see it as a throw-back. They would rather drive an automatic and not sweat shifting. I don't blame them. Inner-city driving with a clutch -- and a cup of coffee, iPhone and hair comb is hard.

-- Jay Beattie.


Yes. British close-range gearboxes were often said to be
'rowed through traffic with the gear lever'. I'd still take
one over a slushbox. YMMV

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971