On Jan 26, 2:13*am, "Trevor A Panther"
wrote:
After over 45 posts in the last 4 days I confess to having consigned "Just
this guy" yet again to my "killfile". His endless drivelling responses label
him as much of a "troll" *as *"judith" / "nuxx" ( in his/her countless
aliases) and he has finally joined that select band of permanent residents.

Are you suggesting that Judith and I are the same person? If so,
you're not exactly the sharpest tool in the box, are you? Do you
think that by giving yourself a pompous avatar, you'll persuade people
that you must be automatically right about everything?

You are right, however, that Crapman is a ****wit and is more
responsible than anyone for the state of URC. It's high time that he
and his motorist-hating sycophants stopped using this group as a
platform for their warped anti-car views. The murderer Crapman has
even resorted to attempting to censor discussions about the efficacy
of speed cameras by deliberately stirring it when everyone is getting
along fine and having an adult debate (without him of course), such is
his fear that the truth will emerge if he doesn't (cf the recent 100+-
post thread started by me, where *every* post was a positive and
worthwhile contribution to the discussion - except his one).
Newsgroups are supposed to be about debate and discussion, yet he
wishes to suppress the "wrong" kinds of debate and discussion, and
even when he deigns to get involved in a debate, his infamous and
sneering "style" towards his opponents (not to mention his constant
and blatant dishonesty, together with his ever-present hidden agendas)
is deeply unhelpful.

I shall be subjected to flames I know, but he, above all others, bears a large
responsibility for dragging this NG back into the mire.

Actually, I think the majority here agree with you. Perhaps you and
them need to unite and tell Crapman in no uncertain terms that he's
not welcome here. But you won't, because you're scared. You know
that him, Spindrift and their posse of hate-filled psychopaths have a
track record of writing abusive letters, making bomb threats and so on
and so forth against anyone who dares to oppose them, and you don't
want to become their latest target.

Still, don't you think you ought to stand up to them and send out the
message that you will not have your rights to free speech denied by
little Bin Ladens who try to silence their opponents with fear? When
people think of cyclists, do you want them to think of lying,
murdering, car-hating terrorist wannabes, or reasonable, moderate
types who (just like most motorists) only want to be treated fairly
and reasonably, and not to be despised and discriminated against just
for choosing their particular method of transport?

Get rid of the car-hating freaks, and the "trolling" will disappear.
You know it perfectly well. "Trolls" only bother with groups which
house controversial or infamous posters in the first place, and there
would be nothing remotely controversial or infamous about this group
if only the despised motorist-haters were ousted. Why would anyone
bother "trolling" a group which was genuinely just about cycling
discussion, any more than they would bother "trolling" a group about
knitting? It would be boring. The answer to this group's problems is
always the same: get rid of the universally loathed loonies like
Chapman and Spindrift, who are only using this group to further their
own spiteful agendas anyway, and everything will be fine. Why not try
it? Nothing else has worked, has it? It's time for some realism.
You know it makes sense.