On Nov 29, 7:15*pm, wrote:
On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 11:12:58 -0800, Mike Vandeman





wrote:
On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 09:19:06 -0800 (PST), Siskuwihane
wrote:

http://www.independent.com/news/2007...fensive-logic/

Defensive Logic
By Henry Delgado

Thursday, May 24, 2007

While I have no doubt that Mike Vandeman, PhD, is a well-educated and
reasonable man, I submit that the information he has gleaned from his
associates regarding firearms is woefully inadequate [ "Close
Reading," May 10]. Dr. Vandeman starts out by labeling it
“preposterous” to say that guns are used defensively 2.5 million times
a year. I respectfully refer Dr. Vandeman to a 1993 national survey
report by Gary Kleck, Florida State University criminology professor.
Using a survey sample of 4,977 respondents (the usual survey sample is
in the 600 to 1,600 range), Professor Kleck determined that guns are
used an average of 2.5 million times a year to prevent or defend
against a crime. In 1994, Bill Clinton’s Department of Justice
sponsored a survey titled "Guns in America: National Survey on Private
Ownership and Use of Firearms." They used a smaller sample size than
Kleck, and estimated 1.5 million defensive uses of firearms annually.

It is unfortunate Dr. Vandeman doesn’t know any gun owners. Contrary
to his assertion that a “tiny minority of the population own guns,”
here are the facts for his perusal: There are approximately
300,000,000 people in the U.S. There are approximately 65,000,000 gun
owners in the U.S. That’s about 22 percent of the population.

That only proves that 22% of the population are idiots.

There
are 200 million firearms (65 million-70 million handguns). Firearms
are used for protection by 11 percent of firearms owners (13 percent
of handgun owners). Criminal yearly misuse of firearms is less than
0.2 percent (and less than 0.4 percent for handguns).

I’m confident that Dr. Vandeman will be enlightened by these figures.
I have personally been a participant in defusing a possible crime
because we were armed—but that’s another story.—Henry Delgado

Mike, I agree with so much you advocate including restrictions on ATV
and biking where damage is a problem. Same for "human free" wildlife
areas. But the comments on guns
are way off. How about joining in the work to stabilize population via
strict immigration controls?



They are way off because Michael is way off on most subjects.

He advocates restrictions on bikes but he himself is a mountain-
biker.

He wants human free habitat for wildlife, but he admitted to cutting
down trees, one of which contain a colony of bees.

He he advocated boycotting petroleum back in 1989 and yet he uses
commercial airlines. He knows they directly pollute the upper
atmosphere and contribute to global warming and our dependence on
fossil fuels.

He let his cat run wild, killing birds and other small mammals until
it was killed because Mike didn't keep it indoors.

Keep in mind this is the same Michael J. Vandeman who said,

"When I was living in Synanon..."