On 25/11/2018 00:14, MrCheerful wrote:

On 24/11/2018 19:51, JNugent wrote:
On 24/11/2018 16:10, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Simon Jester wrote:
Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
MrCheerful wrote:

https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/l...ncludes-365122

I don't think there is such a hand signal whilst driving or cycling.

In a car I would put the right indicator on.
On a bike it would depend on the circumstances. The problem is some
motorists are so horrified at the prospect of having to wait for a
cyclist that they accelerate when a cyclist uses a right arm signal.

"In a car I would put the right indicator on".

Pillock.

I dunno so much (on this occasion).
That's what I would do too.

So what did this mean:

"a motorist travelling in the opposite direction had seen Guy indicating
to the van driver that he was intending to turn around, "

I would assume that the bicycle had no indicators, therefore, what is
the hand signal for 'I am going to make a U turn'Â* ???

I don't know (but see below). It strikes me that the question is better
address to that observant witness.

and why would anyone of any age assume that other traffic has to stop
for them to make a U turn?

No reason at all. I find it difficult to believe that the cyclist really
expected an approaching vehicle (from either direction) to realise that
he wanted to make a U turn and just stop in order to allow him to do it.
I also can't believe that he pulled knowingly into the path of the
approaching van. Not with his experience as described. I wouldn't have
done it on a bike when I was a teenager. I am sure that (a) the witness
is conveying his impressions rather than anything he knew for certain
and (b) the cyclist did not appreciate that the van was even there.

even the cyclist's dad seems to think that there is a signal for a U turn:

"However Guy’s father told the hearing that his son was an experienced
cyclist and would have known which hand signals to use."

See below. The signal is that for a right-turn.

It is odd that after all these years of rding, driving, instructing,
advanced and Police training that I have never come across a U turn signal.

If I am stopped nearside to the kerb and intending to make a U turn, I
use my right indicator throughout the maneouvre and during the wait for
a gap. It first conveys the information to traffic approaching from
behind that I intend to pull away from the kerb into the space which
into which that traffic is heading. Once I have pulled away from the
kerb to the crown of the road, the signal, taken together with the
position and angle of the vehicle, tells traffic approaching from the
other direction that my intention is to (eventually) cross onto their
side of the road in some form (whether to turn into a street, amake a
U-turn or just to pull up on the "wrong" side of the road).

None of it confers any right to move into the path(s) of nearby
approaching traffic of course. It simply indicates the eventual intended
direction of travel. I'm not sure that a hand signal would be anything
like as useful, mainly because it isn't easy to maintain the signal,
whereas with indicator lamps, you switch them on and they stay on and
they are very visible in all lighting conditions. But still, the only
signal that cyclist could have used would have been a hand-signal for
turning right. As you say, there is nothing else.