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Old March 23rd 20, 08:20 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Jeff Liebermann
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On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 12:58:35 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot
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On Monday, 23 March 2020 15:47:39 UTC-4, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 08:59:17 -0700, sms
wrote:

Remember to think outside the box when buying stuff like bleach and
alcohol. Stores may be out of bleach but there is no shortage of pool
chlorine which is the same thing, just more highly concentrated. I
bought some 99.9% isopropyl alcohol at an electronics store, and it's
better to use the higher concentration because you can use more aloe
vera and it's less watery.


NO, NO, NO! Pool chlorine is HCl (Hydrochrloric Acid) and is not the
same as bleach NaClO (Sodium hypochlorite). These are very different
chemicals. If you wash your countertops or furniture with even dilute
HCl, you're going to wreck the finish, your hands, or both. Neither
of these is a suitable substitute for alcohol or ethenol in
electronics. I don't know where you found this wrong and dangerous
information, but I suggest you go back to the source and tell them its
wrong before someone gets hurt..


https://www.pooldone.com/bleach-vs-c...ts-difference/

"Both chlorine and bleach contain calcium hypochlorite chlorine , which are disinfecting materials. There is about 5.25% chlorine content in bleach, while the remaining percentage is water and salt to keep the bleach in a liquid state.

Whereas for chlorine, it contains calcium hypochlorite chlorine at around a 65% strength, made of solid instead of any other matter. Chlorine also contains more inert ingredients to add power into disinfecting pools."
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https://www.compoundchem.com/2014/07...ning-products/

"Sodium hypochlorite is a solid white powder, but is more commonly used dissolved in water. Solutions of sodium hypochlorite are commonly referred to as bleach, although household bleach also contains small amounts of several other compounds, including sodium hydroxide and calcium hypochlorite. Sodium hypochlorite generally makes up 3-8% of the volume; dissolved in water, it has a strongly alkaline pH, which can irritate the skin. The idea of strong acids causing burns is common knowledge, but in fact, strong alkalis can be just as dangerous, and concentrated bleach is at a high enough pH to cause burns to the skin on contact.

Sodium hypochlorite dissolved in water also forms hypochlorous acid, HOCl, a weak acid but strong oxidising agent which is responsible for bleach’s bleaching effect. Hypochlorous acid can react with dyes in clothes, breaking bonds and preventing the molecule from absorbing visible light. It also has antimicrobial activity, as it can react with proteins and DNA of bacteria, as well as breaking down their cell membranes. A very low concentration of hypochlorous acid is required to achieve this effect.

You’re probably aware that it’s common advice not to mix household cleaning products, due to the potentially dangerous reactions that can take place. As an example, some toilet cleaners may contain hydrochloric acid. If these are mixed with bleach, it can react with sodium hypochlorite, and form toxic chlorine gas. Even mixing small amounts of these cleaners can result in the production of a volume of chlorine gas, a lung irritant, above safe levels. Ammonia containing cleaning products can also react with bleach to produce toxic chloroamines."
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Be very careful using chemicals.

Cheers



Hydrochloric Acid Use in Home Pools
https://sensorex.com/blog/2019/09/17/hydrochloric-acid-home-pools/
Both bleach and hydrochloric acid are commonly referred to as "pool
chlorine". I'm not sure if bleach is a good replacement for alchohol
in hand sanitizer, but I'm very sure that hydrochloric acid is a
really bad idea for hand sanitizer.


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