"James P. Spooner" wrote in message
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"Tom Kunich" wrote in message
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I was at the top of Palomares Rd one time and there was some old guy
there
riding a Swiss bike (forget the brand.) It was a 6-speed friction shifter
and the wheels didn't look particularly light and it had a leather saddle
on
it. While talking he claimed that the bike was 18 lbs. I lifted it and
believe me, if it wasn't 18 lbs it was DAMNED close.

I had a new bike with DuraAce, STI shifters and all, and weighed in at 24
lbs.

Was it a Cilo or a Villiger? Just wondering...

Neither - It was painted sort of a sky blue which I seem to remember was the
'house' color of that brand. I seem to remember that it was fairly common in
the USA for awhile but by then it was difficult to get parts for since it
used a Swiss bottom bracket.