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Old August 16th 18, 12:27 PM posted to,uk.politics.misc,uk.rec.cycling
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Default 'Death by dangerous cycling' law considered

On 2018-08-16, TMS320 wrote:
On 15/08/18 10:02, Incubus wrote:
On 2018-08-14, TMS320 wrote:
On 14/08/18 11:52, Incubus wrote:
On 2018-08-14, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein wrote:

And that's it. They are - in general - 'a nuisance'. Car drivers are a
danger to themselves and to others.

I have been at risk of injury from many a cyclist, who has gone on to abuse me
for being in their way. To put it in terms you might use, some of them are
vermin who deserve to be hunted down and severly beaten unto the point of

" risk of injury..." Huh? Is this worse than the many thousands
that are actually harmed by drivers and their motor vehicles?

You miss the point which is that dealing with errant cyclists need not preclude
dealing with dangerous drivers.

Interesting that you use the words "errant cyclists" and "dangerous
drivers". So at least you recognise some distinction.

It is more the case that my writing style precludes repetition of words.

Dangerous drivers are wholly irrelevant when
it comes to pedestrian safety from cyclists.

But please note that I did not use the expression "dangerous drivers".
Most pedestrians are not harmed by dangerous drivers - in law. The
casualty statistics happen to show the danger of drivers and their motor
vehicles is ever present. It is not irrelevant.

By and large people take it upon themselves not to get run over by a
motor vehicle and don't put any burden on the driver. Whereas they
expect the cyclist to make all the effort. It is easy to observe or

I don't think that is a fair summation of the facts. Pedestrians do take care
when crossing roads; such a preventative course of conduct is instilled within
us from a very early age. However, a pedestrian is under no obligation to take
care when walking on a footpath because the footpath is reserved for the use of
the pedestrian alone. Further, it is much easier to see and hear an
approaching car than it is a speeding cyclist.

I recall one occasion when crossing the road, the light was green for
pedestrians and I was hit by a cylist who failed to stop whom I simply did not
see. He flew off his bike, landing in the road in a heap, and was lucky that
he didn't injure me. Once I had ascertained that he had not succeeded in
scratching my cowboy boot, I continued on my way and left him to the
ministrations of a sympathetic female.

I can recall other such occasions when I have almost been hit by a cyclist who
did not respect a red light. On the other hand, there is only one incident I
can recall when I was almost hit by a car whose driver ignored a red light.
Although I always take care, the fact is that cyclists are far more likely to
think that they are not obliged to stop for a red light and the burden is upon

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