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On May 24, 1:25 pm, "Jan" wrote:
The following has been drafted by a member of the Eurosport Cycling forums. It is suggested that it be sent to the UCI . Although we disagree with doping. This does seem a logical way to instantly clean the sport up,- while there is still time. Please forward to the the UCI. It might just work!! thanks Jan I would like to propose an idea of an amnesty for drug takers in the sport. As is plainly obvious, the current system is not working, with credibilty in cycling diminishing day by day. Therefore, I feel that an amnesty would be a good option. It allows those who have doped in the past to come out and admit it, without fear of being reprimanded and sponsors pulling out, as is happening right now. Give them until a date to get clean, then anyone caught should be thrown out of cycling for good. This gives them no excuse and can make cycling credible again. I would dearly love to see clean riders battling it out heart and mind against each other in the knowledge that this is their physical limits and they really are trying. Sounds like a plan to me, but will we ever trust the peloton again? Let's give it a crack. |
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On May 24, 8:25 am, "Jan" wrote:
The following has been drafted by a member of the Eurosport Cycling forums. It is suggested that it be sent to the UCI . Although we disagree with doping. This does seem a logical way to instantly clean the sport up,- while there is still time. Please forward to the the UCI. It might just work!! thanks Jan I would like to propose an idea of an amnesty for drug takers in the sport. As is plainly obvious, the current system is not working, with credibilty in cycling diminishing day by day. Therefore, I feel that an amnesty would be a good option. It allows those who have doped in the past to come out and admit it, without fear of being reprimanded and sponsors pulling out, as is happening right now. Give them until a date to get clean, then anyone caught should be thrown out of cycling for good. This gives them no excuse and can make cycling credible again. I would dearly love to see clean riders battling it out heart and mind against each other in the knowledge that this is their physical limits and they really are trying. Who is going to provide the testing? Perhaps it is not only the Peleton that has lost credibility - or did LNDD never have credibility in the first place? -bdbafh |
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On Thu, 24 May 2007 13:25:30 +0100, "Jan" wrote:
The following has been drafted by a member of the Eurosport Cycling forums. It is suggested that it be sent to the UCI . Although we disagree with doping. This does seem a logical way to instantly clean the sport up,- while there is still time. Please forward to the the UCI. It might just work!! thanks Jan I would like to propose an idea of an amnesty for drug takers in the sport. As is plainly obvious, the current system is not working, with credibilty in cycling diminishing day by day. Therefore, I feel that an amnesty would be a good option. It allows those who have doped in the past to come out and admit it, without fear of being reprimanded and sponsors pulling out, as is happening right now. Give them until a date to get clean, then anyone caught should be thrown out of cycling for good. This gives them no excuse and can make cycling credible again. I would dearly love to see clean riders battling it out heart and mind against each other in the knowledge that this is their physical limits and they really are trying. NO. The "throw 'em out for good" policy is why we've got this goddamn mess in the first place. We already have that. Look at a calender and a racer's career expectency the present policy is about the same. By the time a guy is winning races he's in the fat part of his career and a 2 + 2 ban will have him out of it and over. If a doping charge ends a rider's career then no rider will ever admit or give evidence against another. How about just develop an intelligent, comprehensive and reasonable policy the way other professional sports have and enforce it consistently, professionally and without Dick Pound public accusations without evidence. Leave out the drama. Ron |
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RonSonic wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2007 13:25:30 +0100, "Jan" wrote: The following has been drafted by a member of the Eurosport Cycling forums. It is suggested that it be sent to the UCI . Although we disagree with doping. This does seem a logical way to instantly clean the sport up,- while there is still time. Please forward to the the UCI. It might just work!! thanks Jan I would like to propose an idea of an amnesty for drug takers in the sport. As is plainly obvious, the current system is not working, with credibilty in cycling diminishing day by day. Therefore, I feel that an amnesty would be a good option. It allows those who have doped in the past to come out and admit it, without fear of being reprimanded and sponsors pulling out, as is happening right now. Give them until a date to get clean, then anyone caught should be thrown out of cycling for good. This gives them no excuse and can make cycling credible again. I would dearly love to see clean riders battling it out heart and mind against each other in the knowledge that this is their physical limits and they really are trying. NO. The "throw 'em out for good" policy is why we've got this goddamn mess in the first place. We already have that. Look at a calender and a racer's career expectency the present policy is about the same. By the time a guy is winning races he's in the fat part of his career and a 2 + 2 ban will have him out of it and over. I'm not to hot on American- English but I do believe you are agreeing with us, on that point. If a doping charge ends a rider's career then no rider will ever admit or give evidence against another. That's why we propose an amnesty How about just develop an intelligent, comprehensive and reasonable policy the way other professional sports have and enforce it consistently, professionally and without Dick Pound public accusations without evidence. Leave out the drama. Like in Athletics, Baseball and American football? ;-) Ron |
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On Thu, 24 May 2007 15:33:14 +0100, "Jan" wrote:
RonSonic wrote: On Thu, 24 May 2007 13:25:30 +0100, "Jan" wrote: The following has been drafted by a member of the Eurosport Cycling forums. It is suggested that it be sent to the UCI . Although we disagree with doping. This does seem a logical way to instantly clean the sport up,- while there is still time. Please forward to the the UCI. It might just work!! thanks Jan I would like to propose an idea of an amnesty for drug takers in the sport. As is plainly obvious, the current system is not working, with credibilty in cycling diminishing day by day. Therefore, I feel that an amnesty would be a good option. It allows those who have doped in the past to come out and admit it, without fear of being reprimanded and sponsors pulling out, as is happening right now. Give them until a date to get clean, then anyone caught should be thrown out of cycling for good. This gives them no excuse and can make cycling credible again. I would dearly love to see clean riders battling it out heart and mind against each other in the knowledge that this is their physical limits and they really are trying. NO. The "throw 'em out for good" policy is why we've got this goddamn mess in the first place. We already have that. Look at a calender and a racer's career expectency the present policy is about the same. By the time a guy is winning races he's in the fat part of his career and a 2 + 2 ban will have him out of it and over. I'm not to hot on American- English but I do believe you are agreeing with us, on that point. No, I am very strongly disagreeing with the idea of a permanent ban. It is counterproductive. If a doping charge ends a rider's career then no rider will ever admit or give evidence against another. That's why we propose an amnesty And what about next year or the year after and five years after that. A draconian penalty that is rarely enforced and difficult to enforce will have poorer results than a mild penalty that is easy to enforce reliably. How about just develop an intelligent, comprehensive and reasonable policy the way other professional sports have and enforce it consistently, professionally and without Dick Pound public accusations without evidence. Leave out the drama. Like in Athletics, Baseball and American football? ;-) Yes. All of those have drug problems - all of humanity has drug problems. But all of which have far less drug problem than does bike racing. That they are imperfect and serve up the occasional scandal does not make them bad examples for a sport that seems to live in a state of perpetual disgrace. Baseball, Football, Metric Football have nothing like the disaster that cycling is going through. Ron Ron Effect pedal demo's up at http://www.soundclick.com/ronsonicpedalry |
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"Jan" a écrit dans le message de news: ... The following has been drafted by a member of the Eurosport Cycling forums. It is suggested that it be sent to the UCI . Although we disagree with doping. This does seem a logical way to instantly clean the sport up,- while there is still time. Please forward to the the UCI. It might just work!! thanks Jan I would like to propose an idea of an amnesty for drug takers in the sport. As is plainly obvious, the current system is not working, with credibilty in cycling diminishing day by day. Therefore, I feel that an amnesty would be a good option. It allows those who have doped in the past to come out and admit it, without fear of being reprimanded and sponsors pulling out, as is happening right now. Give them until a date to get clean, then anyone caught should be thrown out of cycling for good. This gives them no excuse and can make cycling credible again. I would dearly love to see clean riders battling it out heart and mind against each other in the knowledge that this is their physical limits and they really are trying. I agree with the idea of the amnesty for the drug takers as soon as the cheaters give the stolen money back. |
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On Thu, 24 May 2007 20:18:29 +0200, Montesquiou wrote:
I agree with the idea of the amnesty for the drug takers as soon as the cheaters give the stolen money back. To who? The promoters that knew that cheating was rampant and made the real money from it? The next racer who may or may not have been cheating? Our Little Sisters of Mercy who, as far as I know, have not been tested, period? Put a statute of limitations on the infraction for penalties within the sport - the UCI will have no impact on some prosecutor with evidence of a real crime. Don't change it. Let everyone know that after a certain date, they can talk until they are blue in the face and history remains history and not subject to any official discussion - leave the past to the historians and the books. That way you don't have self-serving confessions or the issue of confessions threading the needle to avoid implicating friends. Everyone wants WADA and UCI to focus on the future? That is simply a matter of making the decision to do so. Since they are the same people that will have to sign off on this 'amnesty', the amnesty really isn't needed. And the other problem with amnesties is that they're like potato chips - if they work at all, you won't have just one. Curtis L. Russell Odenton, MD (USA) Just someone on two wheels... |
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