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Cyclist dies on unroadworthy wreck.
On 20/05/2015 18:41, The Medway Handyman wrote:
On 20/05/2015 17:10, Bod wrote: On 20/05/2015 16:28, Mrcheerful wrote: I always try to anticipate, but it's not always possible to anticipate car doors suddenly opening. If you cycled, you'd know what I mean. If you cannot anticipate that the driver's door is likely to open soon after a car has pulled up, then perhaps you should not be using the roads. A safe speed and machine coupled with a suitable distance from the car would mean that cyclist would likely still be alive. So tell me how you stay a doors width away from parked cars when you're driving your car and the road is just not wide enough without going over the white centre line? So tell me how so few car doors ever get hit by other cars? In any case a broken centre line may be crossed as needed. |
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Cyclist dies on unroadworthy wreck.
On 20/05/2015 15:39, Bod wrote:
On 20/05/2015 15:23, Mrcheerful wrote: On 20/05/2015 15:01, RJH wrote: On 20/05/2015 09:02, Mrcheerful wrote: Recumbent rider failed to notice the likelihood of a car door opening, failed to pass sufficiently wide and due to his type of machine and its condition, fell off and died. Viable transport? http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/...e-died-9290908 The school run is a bad time for cyclists, and I suspect anybody on or near roads. I give cars a very wide berth at those times. Just out of interest, how would you 'notice the likelihood of a car door opening'? It's one of these things I cycle in anticipation of, and it happens once or twice a year. Never hit yet, but I've come close. I met a bloke who got caught - left him severely epileptic. Better than the poor sod in your link though. As the woman had only just pulled up it is very likely that an observant road user would have seen her do so, and given a wide berth for the very likely possibility of a door opening. Using a recumbent on the road increases the difficulties of vision both by the cyclist and of the cyclist, therefore the cyclist should have been taking even greater care than a 'normal' cyclist to maintain safe speed and position while going past a recently stopped car. You're STILL siding with the driver. She admitted that she had already clipped a bin with her wing mirror before she got out. The woman is obviously a careless driver. There's no other way to look at it, the accident *wouldn't* have happened if she'd looked properly. She was found guilty, end of story. Not only did he fail to use anticipation and observation skills, he was riding a dangerous vehicle; "John Gore, an authorised vehicle examiner, agreed he could not find any marks or defects on Mrs Jackson’s vehicle that could have contributed or caused the collision. He did however say the bike Mr Hamilton was riding, made in the early 1970s, was not well maintained as the tyre tread was worn so much you could see the inner fabric and the brakes did not work well." Clear evidence that cyclists should have to take a test and subject push bikes to MOT tests. A car driver at 76 would have to re take his test. -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk |
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Cyclist dies on unroadworthy wreck.
On 20/05/2015 18:01, Bod wrote:
On 20/05/2015 17:54, Mrcheerful wrote: On 20/05/2015 17:37, Bod wrote: On 20/05/2015 17:15, Mrcheerful wrote: On 20/05/2015 15:39, Bod wrote: On 20/05/2015 15:23, Mrcheerful wrote: On 20/05/2015 15:01, RJH wrote: On 20/05/2015 09:02, Mrcheerful wrote: Recumbent rider failed to notice the likelihood of a car door opening, failed to pass sufficiently wide and due to his type of machine and its condition, fell off and died. Viable transport? http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/...e-died-9290908 The school run is a bad time for cyclists, and I suspect anybody on or near roads. I give cars a very wide berth at those times. Just out of interest, how would you 'notice the likelihood of a car door opening'? It's one of these things I cycle in anticipation of, and it happens once or twice a year. Never hit yet, but I've come close. I met a bloke who got caught - left him severely epileptic. Better than the poor sod in your link though. As the woman had only just pulled up it is very likely that an observant road user would have seen her do so, and given a wide berth for the very likely possibility of a door opening. Using a recumbent on the road increases the difficulties of vision both by the cyclist and of the cyclist, therefore the cyclist should have been taking even greater care than a 'normal' cyclist to maintain safe speed and position while going past a recently stopped car. You're STILL siding with the driver. She admitted that she had already clipped a bin with her wing mirror before she got out. The woman is obviously a careless driver. There's no other way to look at it, the accident *wouldn't* have happened if she'd looked properly. She was found guilty, end of story. Most collisions occur when more than one road user makes a mistake, just as in this case. *She* was the *only* one found guilty. Not so, the cyclist was found to be guilty of riding an unroadworthy machine, he was not dealt with by the courts for a simple reason, can you guess what it was? He remained silent when questioned? ;-) Not even a "no comment". -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk |
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Cyclist dies on unroadworthy wreck.
On 20/05/2015 18:37, Mrcheerful wrote:
On 20/05/2015 18:33, The Medway Handyman wrote: On 20/05/2015 10:44, Bod wrote: On 20/05/2015 09:47, Mrcheerful wrote: On 20/05/2015 09:08, Bod wrote: On 20/05/2015 09:02, Mrcheerful wrote: Recumbent rider failed to notice the likelihood of a car door opening, failed to pass sufficiently wide and due to his type of machine and its condition, fell off and died. Viable transport? http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/...e-died-9290908 Hmm! The lady said "Mrs Jackson said: “I consider myself to be a careful and competent driver. I feel very sorry that the cyclist died but don’t think there’s anything I could have done different to avoid this accident.” How about looking before opening her door? She *obviously* caused the accident by her carelessness. Recumbents are very low to the ground and would be easy to miss with a quick glance in a mirror. The cyclist was also careless, he would have seen the vehicle stop and would know that the likelihood is that a door will open soon after, he failed to allow enough room or stopping distance to avoid the possibility, his machine was of such a type and in such poor condition that he left it all too late to slow, stop or otherwise avoid the obvious obstacle. "a quick glance"!? Unlike you, I look *very* carefully before opening my car doors. She was to blame, unless you strangely consider that the accident would've happened even if she hadn't opened the door? She opened her door carelessly, resulting in his death. How you can side with her is beyond me. Because the cyclist, yet again, failed to use observation and anticipation skills. To paraphrase M'Lud; I hope the personal liability section of the cyclists household contents insurance is able to adequately compensate the motorist for any damage to his property and injuries caused by the cyclists stupidity. Happily the woman's car suffered no damage on this occasion as it seems the cyclist did not collide with the door, he fell off anyway (maybe hoping for compo.?) and banged his unprotected head on the ground, resulting in his death. So the woman was doing nothing wrong in carelessly opening her door without looking properly. Ok, I get your drift. You will always blame a cyclist, simply because you hate them. |
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Cyclist dies on unroadworthy wreck.
On 20/05/2015 18:44, Mrcheerful wrote:
On 20/05/2015 18:41, The Medway Handyman wrote: On 20/05/2015 17:10, Bod wrote: On 20/05/2015 16:28, Mrcheerful wrote: I always try to anticipate, but it's not always possible to anticipate car doors suddenly opening. If you cycled, you'd know what I mean. If you cannot anticipate that the driver's door is likely to open soon after a car has pulled up, then perhaps you should not be using the roads. A safe speed and machine coupled with a suitable distance from the car would mean that cyclist would likely still be alive. So tell me how you stay a doors width away from parked cars when you're driving your car and the road is just not wide enough without going over the white centre line? So tell me how so few car doors ever get hit by other cars? In any case a broken centre line may be crossed as needed. Even when there are cars on the other side of the road, which is most of the time in or near towns mostly. |
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Cyclist dies on unroadworthy wreck.
On 20/05/2015 18:51, The Medway Handyman wrote:
On 20/05/2015 18:01, Bod wrote: On 20/05/2015 17:54, Mrcheerful wrote: On 20/05/2015 17:37, Bod wrote: On 20/05/2015 17:15, Mrcheerful wrote: On 20/05/2015 15:39, Bod wrote: On 20/05/2015 15:23, Mrcheerful wrote: On 20/05/2015 15:01, RJH wrote: On 20/05/2015 09:02, Mrcheerful wrote: Recumbent rider failed to notice the likelihood of a car door opening, failed to pass sufficiently wide and due to his type of machine and its condition, fell off and died. Viable transport? http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/...e-died-9290908 The school run is a bad time for cyclists, and I suspect anybody on or near roads. I give cars a very wide berth at those times. Just out of interest, how would you 'notice the likelihood of a car door opening'? It's one of these things I cycle in anticipation of, and it happens once or twice a year. Never hit yet, but I've come close. I met a bloke who got caught - left him severely epileptic. Better than the poor sod in your link though. As the woman had only just pulled up it is very likely that an observant road user would have seen her do so, and given a wide berth for the very likely possibility of a door opening. Using a recumbent on the road increases the difficulties of vision both by the cyclist and of the cyclist, therefore the cyclist should have been taking even greater care than a 'normal' cyclist to maintain safe speed and position while going past a recently stopped car. You're STILL siding with the driver. She admitted that she had already clipped a bin with her wing mirror before she got out. The woman is obviously a careless driver. There's no other way to look at it, the accident *wouldn't* have happened if she'd looked properly. She was found guilty, end of story. Most collisions occur when more than one road user makes a mistake, just as in this case. *She* was the *only* one found guilty. Not so, the cyclist was found to be guilty of riding an unroadworthy machine, he was not dealt with by the courts for a simple reason, can you guess what it was? He remained silent when questioned? ;-) Not even a "no comment". The questioning didn't move him. |
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Cyclist dies on unroadworthy wreck.
On 20/05/2015 18:55, Bod wrote:
On 20/05/2015 18:37, Mrcheerful wrote: On 20/05/2015 18:33, The Medway Handyman wrote: On 20/05/2015 10:44, Bod wrote: On 20/05/2015 09:47, Mrcheerful wrote: On 20/05/2015 09:08, Bod wrote: On 20/05/2015 09:02, Mrcheerful wrote: Recumbent rider failed to notice the likelihood of a car door opening, failed to pass sufficiently wide and due to his type of machine and its condition, fell off and died. Viable transport? http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/...e-died-9290908 Hmm! The lady said "Mrs Jackson said: “I consider myself to be a careful and competent driver. I feel very sorry that the cyclist died but don’t think there’s anything I could have done different to avoid this accident.” How about looking before opening her door? She *obviously* caused the accident by her carelessness. Recumbents are very low to the ground and would be easy to miss with a quick glance in a mirror. The cyclist was also careless, he would have seen the vehicle stop and would know that the likelihood is that a door will open soon after, he failed to allow enough room or stopping distance to avoid the possibility, his machine was of such a type and in such poor condition that he left it all too late to slow, stop or otherwise avoid the obvious obstacle. "a quick glance"!? Unlike you, I look *very* carefully before opening my car doors. She was to blame, unless you strangely consider that the accident would've happened even if she hadn't opened the door? She opened her door carelessly, resulting in his death. How you can side with her is beyond me. Because the cyclist, yet again, failed to use observation and anticipation skills. To paraphrase M'Lud; I hope the personal liability section of the cyclists household contents insurance is able to adequately compensate the motorist for any damage to his property and injuries caused by the cyclists stupidity. Happily the woman's car suffered no damage on this occasion as it seems the cyclist did not collide with the door, he fell off anyway (maybe hoping for compo.?) and banged his unprotected head on the ground, resulting in his death. So the woman was doing nothing wrong in carelessly opening her door without looking properly. Ok, I get your drift. You will always blame a cyclist, simply because you hate them. You are as skewed in your thinking as Doug. The woman did not take sufficient care (allegedly) and NEITHER did the cyclist (provably) |
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Cyclist dies on unroadworthy wreck.
On 20/05/2015 19:01, Bod wrote:
On 20/05/2015 18:44, Mrcheerful wrote: On 20/05/2015 18:41, The Medway Handyman wrote: On 20/05/2015 17:10, Bod wrote: On 20/05/2015 16:28, Mrcheerful wrote: I always try to anticipate, but it's not always possible to anticipate car doors suddenly opening. If you cycled, you'd know what I mean. If you cannot anticipate that the driver's door is likely to open soon after a car has pulled up, then perhaps you should not be using the roads. A safe speed and machine coupled with a suitable distance from the car would mean that cyclist would likely still be alive. So tell me how you stay a doors width away from parked cars when you're driving your car and the road is just not wide enough without going over the white centre line? So tell me how so few car doors ever get hit by other cars? In any case a broken centre line may be crossed as needed. Even when there are cars on the other side of the road, which is most of the time in or near towns mostly. If safe to do so without causing other vehicles to brake or deviate, yes. |
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Cyclist dies on unroadworthy wreck.
"The Medway Handyman" wrote in message ... On 20/05/2015 15:39, Bod wrote: On 20/05/2015 15:23, Mrcheerful wrote: On 20/05/2015 15:01, RJH wrote: On 20/05/2015 09:02, Mrcheerful wrote: Recumbent rider failed to notice the likelihood of a car door opening, failed to pass sufficiently wide and due to his type of machine and its condition, fell off and died. Viable transport? http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/...e-died-9290908 The school run is a bad time for cyclists, and I suspect anybody on or near roads. I give cars a very wide berth at those times. Just out of interest, how would you 'notice the likelihood of a car door opening'? It's one of these things I cycle in anticipation of, and it happens once or twice a year. Never hit yet, but I've come close. I met a bloke who got caught - left him severely epileptic. Better than the poor sod in your link though. As the woman had only just pulled up it is very likely that an observant road user would have seen her do so, and given a wide berth for the very likely possibility of a door opening. Using a recumbent on the road increases the difficulties of vision both by the cyclist and of the cyclist, therefore the cyclist should have been taking even greater care than a 'normal' cyclist to maintain safe speed and position while going past a recently stopped car. You're STILL siding with the driver. She admitted that she had already clipped a bin with her wing mirror before she got out. The woman is obviously a careless driver. There's no other way to look at it, the accident *wouldn't* have happened if she'd looked properly. She was found guilty, end of story. Not only did he fail to use anticipation and observation skills, he was riding a dangerous vehicle; "John Gore, an authorised vehicle examiner, agreed he could not find any marks or defects on Mrs Jackson’s vehicle that could have contributed or caused the collision. He did however say the bike Mr Hamilton was riding, made in the early 1970s, was not well maintained as the tyre tread was worn so much you could see the inner fabric and the brakes did not work well." Clear evidence that cyclists should have to take a test and subject push bikes to MOT tests. A car driver at 76 would have to re take his test. You beat me to that. He obviously over reacted and the dangerous tyre and defective brakes contributed to him falling off his bicycle. Him being 76 did not help. |
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Cyclist dies on unroadworthy wreck.
On Wed, 20 May 2015 09:47:21 +0100, Mrcheerful wrote:
On 20/05/2015 09:08, Bod wrote: On 20/05/2015 09:02, Mrcheerful wrote: Recumbent rider failed to notice the likelihood of a car door opening, failed to pass sufficiently wide and due to his type of machine and its condition, fell off and died. Viable transport? http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/...e-died-9290908 Hmm! The lady said "Mrs Jackson said: “I consider myself to be a careful and competent driver. I feel very sorry that the cyclist died but don’t think there’s anything I could have done different to avoid this accident.” A 'careful and competent driver' who nevertheless couldn't manage to park outside her house without hitting a wheely-bin. How about looking before opening her door? She *obviously* caused the accident by her carelessness. Recumbents are very low to the ground and would be easy to miss with a quick glance in a mirror. He wasn't riding a recumbent. It appears that you are assuming that because he is pictured with a recumbent that is what he was riding. The article has descriptive text about the bike he was riding, and it doesn't match that recumbent (or, indeed, any recumbent). Further, the pictured recumbent is a short wheel-base bike. The rider's eyeline is rather higher than that of many car drivers (most, if you exclude 4x4s). So, unless you count most of the cars on the road as being "low to the ground and easy to miss", even if he were riding he bike that you're wrongly assuming, your comment would still be wrong. -- |\ /| no .sig |o o| |/ \| |
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