Education 'better than speed limits' for cyclists

On Saturday, 27 June 2020 12:54:01 UTC+1, Pamela wrote:
On 13:43 26 Jun 2020, Simon Mason said:

QUOTE:
A professional cyclist who lives on the Isle of Man believes better
awareness rather than lower speed limits would help riders feel safer on
the road.

The Isle of Man Cycling Association sent an open letter to Manx
politicians this week calling for reduced speed limits to aid vulnerable
road users.

Team Ineos rider Chris Lawless said issues such as "close passes" posed
a bigger threat.

"It is not speed limits that are the problem it is education," he added.


If cyclists had to abide by special speed limits there would be fewer
accidents.

Can you provide evidence to support this claim?

On 30/06/2020 16:30, Mike Collins wrote:
On Saturday, 27 June 2020 12:54:01 UTC+1, Pamela wrote:
On 13:43 26 Jun 2020, Simon Mason said:

QUOTE:
A professional cyclist who lives on the Isle of Man believes better
awareness rather than lower speed limits would help riders feel safer on
the road.

The Isle of Man Cycling Association sent an open letter to Manx
politicians this week calling for reduced speed limits to aid vulnerable
road users.

Team Ineos rider Chris Lawless said issues such as "close passes" posed
a bigger threat.

"It is not speed limits that are the problem it is education," he added.


If cyclists had to abide by special speed limits there would be fewer
accidents.

Can you provide evidence to support this claim?

If the special speed limits were (say), no more than 10mph (and less in
places also used by pedestrians), would there be any reason to doubt it?

Obviously, you might doubt it, but equally obviously, I mean "doubted by
a reasonable person of at least average intelligence, exercising
reasonable judgement", which might well be... er... different.

On Tuesday, 30 June 2020 16:44:28 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 30/06/2020 16:30, Mike Collins wrote:
On Saturday, 27 June 2020 12:54:01 UTC+1, Pamela wrote:
On 13:43 26 Jun 2020, Simon Mason said:

QUOTE:
A professional cyclist who lives on the Isle of Man believes better
awareness rather than lower speed limits would help riders feel safer on
the road.

The Isle of Man Cycling Association sent an open letter to Manx
politicians this week calling for reduced speed limits to aid vulnerable
road users.

Team Ineos rider Chris Lawless said issues such as "close passes" posed
a bigger threat.

"It is not speed limits that are the problem it is education," he added.


If cyclists had to abide by special speed limits there would be fewer
accidents.

Can you provide evidence to support this claim?

If the special speed limits were (say), no more than 10mph (and less in
places also used by pedestrians), would there be any reason to doubt it?

Obviously, you might doubt it, but equally obviously, I mean "doubted by
a reasonable person of at least average intelligence, exercising
reasonable judgement", which might well be... er... different.

So no evidence to support your claim, Pamela.

On Tuesday, June 30, 2020 at 4:30:35 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:
On Saturday, 27 June 2020 12:54:01 UTC+1, Pamela wrote:
On 13:43 26 Jun 2020, Simon Mason said:

QUOTE:
A professional cyclist who lives on the Isle of Man believes better
awareness rather than lower speed limits would help riders feel safer on
the road.

The Isle of Man Cycling Association sent an open letter to Manx
politicians this week calling for reduced speed limits to aid vulnerable
road users.

Team Ineos rider Chris Lawless said issues such as "close passes" posed
a bigger threat.

"It is not speed limits that are the problem it is education," he added.


If cyclists had to abide by special speed limits there would be fewer
accidents.

Can you provide evidence to support this claim?

The thread is about speed limits for *motor vehicles* on the unrestricted parts of the Isle of Man road network and NOT speed limits for cyclists, of which, there is none.

On 30/06/2020 17:29, Mike Collins wrote:
On Tuesday, 30 June 2020 16:44:28 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 30/06/2020 16:30, Mike Collins wrote:
On Saturday, 27 June 2020 12:54:01 UTC+1, Pamela wrote:
On 13:43 26 Jun 2020, Simon Mason said:

QUOTE:
A professional cyclist who lives on the Isle of Man believes better
awareness rather than lower speed limits would help riders feel safer on
the road.

The Isle of Man Cycling Association sent an open letter to Manx
politicians this week calling for reduced speed limits to aid vulnerable
road users.

Team Ineos rider Chris Lawless said issues such as "close passes" posed
a bigger threat.

"It is not speed limits that are the problem it is education," he added.


If cyclists had to abide by special speed limits there would be fewer
accidents.

Can you provide evidence to support this claim?

If the special speed limits were (say), no more than 10mph (and less in
places also used by pedestrians), would there be any reason to doubt it?

Obviously, you might doubt it, but equally obviously, I mean "doubted by
a reasonable person of at least average intelligence, exercising
reasonable judgement", which might well be... er... different.

So no evidence to support your claim, Pamela.

What?

Are you sane?

[That was rhetorical. We already know that the answer is "No".]

On Tuesday, 30 June 2020 23:47:48 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 30/06/2020 17:29, Mike Collins wrote:
On Tuesday, 30 June 2020 16:44:28 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 30/06/2020 16:30, Mike Collins wrote:
On Saturday, 27 June 2020 12:54:01 UTC+1, Pamela wrote:
On 13:43 26 Jun 2020, Simon Mason said:

QUOTE:
A professional cyclist who lives on the Isle of Man believes better
awareness rather than lower speed limits would help riders feel safer on
the road.

The Isle of Man Cycling Association sent an open letter to Manx
politicians this week calling for reduced speed limits to aid vulnerable
road users.

Team Ineos rider Chris Lawless said issues such as "close passes" posed
a bigger threat.

"It is not speed limits that are the problem it is education," he added.


If cyclists had to abide by special speed limits there would be fewer
accidents.

Can you provide evidence to support this claim?

If the special speed limits were (say), no more than 10mph (and less in
places also used by pedestrians), would there be any reason to doubt it?

Obviously, you might doubt it, but equally obviously, I mean "doubted by
a reasonable person of at least average intelligence, exercising
reasonable judgement", which might well be... er... different.

So no evidence to support your claim, Pamela.

What?

Are you sane?

[That was rhetorical. We already know that the answer is "No".]

Sticks and stones.

On 01/07/2020 01:18, Mike Collins wrote:
On Tuesday, 30 June 2020 23:47:48 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 30/06/2020 17:29, Mike Collins wrote:
On Tuesday, 30 June 2020 16:44:28 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 30/06/2020 16:30, Mike Collins wrote:
On Saturday, 27 June 2020 12:54:01 UTC+1, Pamela wrote:
On 13:43 26 Jun 2020, Simon Mason said:

QUOTE:
A professional cyclist who lives on the Isle of Man believes better
awareness rather than lower speed limits would help riders feel safer on
the road.

The Isle of Man Cycling Association sent an open letter to Manx
politicians this week calling for reduced speed limits to aid vulnerable
road users.

Team Ineos rider Chris Lawless said issues such as "close passes" posed
a bigger threat.

"It is not speed limits that are the problem it is education," he added.


If cyclists had to abide by special speed limits there would be fewer
accidents.

Can you provide evidence to support this claim?

If the special speed limits were (say), no more than 10mph (and less in
places also used by pedestrians), would there be any reason to doubt it?

Obviously, you might doubt it, but equally obviously, I mean "doubted by
a reasonable person of at least average intelligence, exercising
reasonable judgement", which might well be... er... different.

So no evidence to support your claim, Pamela.

What?

Are you sane?

[That was rhetorical. We already know that the answer is "No".]

Sticks and stones.

Irony is not of your stronger skills, is it?

On 29/06/2020 20:51, Simon Mason wrote:
On Monday, June 29, 2020 at 8:46:46 PM UTC+1, Pamela wrote:

Nuxx Bar was also behind this:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/uk.r...8/rHX7XTG0rTcJ

Doesn't the PGP key at the end help identify the real poster?

I presume they can be faked.


A truly nasty character also known as Guy Cuthbertson.

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/uk.r...c/xJVjy3N9ptoJ

What is it about this group that causes so many members to fall out
bitterly with one another?

It's the same with Radio Hams - it attracts a lot of nutters.

This also happened to me with Judith who wrote to my employers with a load of lies.

https://www.gazetteandherald.co.uk/n...r-online-spat/

You've dropped the bit about the non-existent visit to the BP AGM in
London, then?

On Wednesday, 1 July 2020 14:30:28 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 01/07/2020 01:18, Mike Collins wrote:
On Tuesday, 30 June 2020 23:47:48 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 30/06/2020 17:29, Mike Collins wrote:
On Tuesday, 30 June 2020 16:44:28 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 30/06/2020 16:30, Mike Collins wrote:
On Saturday, 27 June 2020 12:54:01 UTC+1, Pamela wrote:
On 13:43 26 Jun 2020, Simon Mason said:

QUOTE:
A professional cyclist who lives on the Isle of Man believes better
awareness rather than lower speed limits would help riders feel safer on
the road.

The Isle of Man Cycling Association sent an open letter to Manx
politicians this week calling for reduced speed limits to aid vulnerable
road users.

Team Ineos rider Chris Lawless said issues such as "close passes" posed
a bigger threat.

"It is not speed limits that are the problem it is education," he added.


If cyclists had to abide by special speed limits there would be fewer
accidents.

Can you provide evidence to support this claim?

If the special speed limits were (say), no more than 10mph (and less in
places also used by pedestrians), would there be any reason to doubt it?

Obviously, you might doubt it, but equally obviously, I mean "doubted by
a reasonable person of at least average intelligence, exercising
reasonable judgement", which might well be... er... different.

So no evidence to support your claim, Pamela.

What?

Are you sane?

[That was rhetorical. We already know that the answer is "No".]

Sticks and stones.

Irony is not of your stronger skills, is it?

Irony rusts very quickly on usenet.

On 17:21 1 Jul 2020, Mike Collins said:

On Wednesday, 1 July 2020 14:30:28 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 01/07/2020 01:18, Mike Collins wrote:
On Tuesday, 30 June 2020 23:47:48 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 30/06/2020 17:29, Mike Collins wrote:
On Tuesday, 30 June 2020 16:44:28 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 30/06/2020 16:30, Mike Collins wrote:
On Saturday, 27 June 2020 12:54:01 UTC+1, Pamela wrote:
On 13:43 26 Jun 2020, Simon Mason said:

QUOTE:
A professional cyclist who lives on the Isle of Man believes
better awareness rather than lower speed limits would help
riders feel safer on the road.

The Isle of Man Cycling Association sent an open letter to Manx
politicians this week calling for reduced speed limits to aid
vulnerable road users.

Team Ineos rider Chris Lawless said issues such as "close
passes" posed a bigger threat.

"It is not speed limits that are the problem it is education,"
he added.


If cyclists had to abide by special speed limits there would be
fewer accidents.

Can you provide evidence to support this claim?

If the special speed limits were (say), no more than 10mph (and
less in places also used by pedestrians), would there be any
reason to doubt it?

Obviously, you might doubt it, but equally obviously, I mean
"doubted by a reasonable person of at least average intelligence,
exercising reasonable judgement", which might well be... er...
different.

So no evidence to support your claim, Pamela.

What?

Are you sane?

[That was rhetorical. We already know that the answer is "No".]

Sticks and stones.

Irony is not of your stronger skills, is it?

Irony rusts very quickly on usenet.

Is wordplay what passes for wisdom there?