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XTR M960: Beyond diminishing returns
"Rocketman" wrote in message news:91Czb.22721$_M.100141@attbi_s54... "Mojo Deluxe" wrote in message ... "Rocketman" wrote in message news:eL6zb.202404$Dw6.745875@attbi_s02... "Mojo Deluxe" wrote in message ... "Rocketman" wrote in message news:R%Myb.274457$275.970846@attbi_s53... XTR M960 Cranks: $450 Got mine for just over $300 snip Mojo, did you realize that you posted the same reply 7 times? Now I do. Been having some problems with my server. Sometimes it post, sometimes it does not. Worst yet, it appears NOT to post, but does anyway. Yeah, I've been having the exact same problem! It ****es me off! You just gotta wait a few hours and see if it posts. You wouldn't happen to have Insight Broadband, would you? Bellsouth dial-up, with free news service (wonder why it's free?). I wish I could get high speed out here. -- rec.bicycles.off-road is moderated by volunteers. To find help solving posting problems, or contact the moderators, please see http://rbor.org/ Please read the charter before posting: http://rbor.org/rbor_charter.txt |
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XTR M960: Beyond diminishing returns
"JD" wrote in message
om... "Rocketman" wrote in message news:R%Myb.274457$275.970846@attbi_s53... snip Is Shimano begging us to switch to SRAM, or what? No, they are telling us that singlespeeding is pure and natural. JD Wheeler You've got me thinking.... I have a matte-black NOS rigid Research Dynamics CrMo frame with horizontal dropouts - and matching rigid fork - that I bought (in the original carton) on Ebay for $26 last year. Hella deal. I built up a rear wheel with a thread-on hub from two discarded wheels (hub from one wheel, rim and spokes from the other). I even have an18T freewheel off of a junked BMX bike I found in the neighbor's trash. I think that good ol' Research Dynamics CrMo frameset is gonna be my new single speeder! Thanks for the inspiration, JD. Rocketman -- rec.bicycles.off-road is moderated by volunteers. To find help solving posting problems, or contact the moderators, please see http://rbor.org/ Please read the charter before posting: http://rbor.org/rbor_charter.txt |
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XTR M960: Beyond diminishing returns
"Rocketman" wrote in message news:R%Myb.274457.
snip The new XTR is partially based on 11-year-old technology. Several companies offered similar crank and BB designs in 1992, most notably Magic Motorcycle; but also Bullseye, Sweet Wings and Syncros a few years later. Shimano has been borrowing 1993 Magic Motorcycle crank technology for a while now (square-splined BB, outboard bearings, hollow crankarms). The only thing marginally new are the M960 shifters, and they're just a rehash of Dura Ace. snip 11-year-old technology? Don't forget the slant-parallelogram derrailuer design. Geez when are they going to come up with something new? They "barrowed" that technology from SunTour ... who started using it in the early 70's. They did, of course, have to wait until the patent expired. Dura-Ace didn't even have an S/P rear derrailuer until the 7400 series was brought out. And that Saint Axel-mounted hub specific rear derrailuer what a rip-off of the 1930's Simplex/Benelux designs. V-brakes ... nothing more than a rework of the late 80's Cross-tops and Marinovators. SIS ... a rework of Positron ... When will they bring out something new? R -- rec.bicycles.off-road is moderated by volunteers. To find help solving posting problems, or contact the moderators, please see http://rbor.org/ Please read the charter before posting: http://rbor.org/rbor_charter.txt |
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XTR M960: Beyond diminishing returns
"Reco Diver" wrote in message
om... "Rocketman" wrote in message news:R%Myb.274457. snip The new XTR is partially based on 11-year-old technology. Several companies offered similar crank and BB designs in 1992, most notably Magic Motorcycle; but also Bullseye, Sweet Wings and Syncros a few years later. Shimano has been borrowing 1993 Magic Motorcycle crank technology for a while now (square-splined BB, outboard bearings, hollow crankarms). The only thing marginally new are the M960 shifters, and they're just a rehash of Dura Ace. snip 11-year-old technology? Don't forget the slant-parallelogram derrailuer design. Geez when are they going to come up with something new? They "barrowed" that technology from SunTour ... who started using it in the early 70's. They did, of course, have to wait until the patent expired. Dura-Ace didn't even have an S/P rear derrailuer until the 7400 series was brought out. And that Saint Axel-mounted hub specific rear derrailuer what a rip-off of the 1930's Simplex/Benelux designs. V-brakes ... nothing more than a rework of the late 80's Cross-tops and Marinovators. SIS ... a rework of Positron ... When will they bring out something new? LOL! You got it, Reco. And let's not forget about the splined disc adapter mounts for the new XTR and XT hubs. Did they license those from Chris King, or what? Shimano has become more of a re-packaging and marketing company than an innovative engineering company, IMO. Rocketman -- rec.bicycles.off-road is moderated by volunteers. To find help solving posting problems, or contact the moderators, please see http://rbor.org/ Please read the charter before posting: http://rbor.org/rbor_charter.txt |
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XTR M960: Beyond diminishing returns
"Rocketman" wrote in message news:UcUzb.428075$Tr4.1210736@attbi_s03...
"JD" wrote in message om... "Rocketman" wrote in message news:R%Myb.274457$275.970846@attbi_s53... snip Is Shimano begging us to switch to SRAM, or what? No, they are telling us that singlespeeding is pure and natural. JD Wheeler You've got me thinking.... I have a matte-black NOS rigid Research Dynamics CrMo frame with horizontal dropouts - and matching rigid fork - that I bought (in the original carton) on Ebay for $26 last year. Hella deal. I built up a rear wheel with a thread-on hub from two discarded wheels (hub from one wheel, rim and spokes from the other). I even have an18T freewheel off of a junked BMX bike I found in the neighbor's trash. I think that good ol' Research Dynamics CrMo frameset is gonna be my new single speeder! Thanks for the inspiration, JD. Rocketman You will be assimilated. JD -- rec.bicycles.off-road is moderated by volunteers. To find help solving posting problems, or contact the moderators, please see http://rbor.org/ Please read the charter before posting: http://rbor.org/rbor_charter.txt |
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XTR M960: Beyond diminishing returns
"Rocketman" wrote in message news:R%Myb.274457$275.970846@attbi_s53...
XTR M960 Cranks: $450 XTR M960 Brifters: $275 XTR M960 Rear Derailleur: $123 XTR M960 9sp Cassette: $142 XTR M960 Rear Disc Hub: $192 HA HA HA HA! Nobody is gonna buy this stuff, are they? The weight weenies with more money than sense are gonna line up to drop $2k+ on the new XTR line. Does the phrase "diminishing returns" mean anything to them? I'm betting it doesn't. Shimano is trying to see how much they can get the logo whores to pay for ugly, trendy bike parts. It's not jewelry, but it's priced like gold. The new XTR is partially based on 11-year-old technology. Several companies offered similar crank and BB designs in 1992, most notably Magic Motorcycle; but also Bullseye, Sweet Wings and Syncros a few years later. Shimano has been borrowing 1993 Magic Motorcycle crank technology for a while now (square-splined BB, outboard bearings, hollow crankarms). The only thing marginally new are the M960 shifters, and they're just a rehash of Dura Ace. Meanwhile, all of Shimano's other component lines are going up in price. Last season, I bought the new DuraAce mid-cage rear derailleur for $53 from JensonUSA. Right now, JensonUSA lists DuraAce 7800 rear derailleurs for $146!! LX cranks that sold for $59 are now $83. M753 XT cranks were $119. The new XT cranks are $249!! That, folks, is a HUGE increase. Your next bike will cost a *lot* more than your last bike did. Low-priced Shimano sources are drying up quickly. If you're thinking of stocking up, do it very soon. Is Shimano begging us to switch to SRAM, or what? Rocketman If i choose to buy xtr more power to me. Don't be jealous. You can buy sram & pretend to like it. -- rec.bicycles.off-road is moderated by volunteers. To find help solving posting problems, or contact the moderators, please see http://rbor.org/ Please read the charter before posting: http://rbor.org/rbor_charter.txt |
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XTR M960: Beyond diminishing returns
"Evan Evans" wrote in message
om... "Rocketman" wrote in message news:R%Myb.274457$275.970846@attbi_s53... XTR M960 Cranks: $450 XTR M960 Brifters: $275 XTR M960 Rear Derailleur: $123 XTR M960 9sp Cassette: $142 XTR M960 Rear Disc Hub: $192 HA HA HA HA! Nobody is gonna buy this stuff, are they? The weight weenies with more money than sense are gonna line up to drop $2k+ on the new XTR line. Does the phrase "diminishing returns" mean anything to them? I'm betting it doesn't. Shimano is trying to see how much they can get the logo whores to pay for ugly, trendy bike parts. It's not jewelry, but it's priced like gold. The new XTR is partially based on 11-year-old technology. Several companies offered similar crank and BB designs in 1992, most notably Magic Motorcycle; but also Bullseye, Sweet Wings and Syncros a few years later. Shimano has been borrowing 1993 Magic Motorcycle crank technology for a while now (square-splined BB, outboard bearings, hollow crankarms). The only thing marginally new are the M960 shifters, and they're just a rehash of Dura Ace. Meanwhile, all of Shimano's other component lines are going up in price. Last season, I bought the new DuraAce mid-cage rear derailleur for $53 from JensonUSA. Right now, JensonUSA lists DuraAce 7800 rear derailleurs for $146!! LX cranks that sold for $59 are now $83. M753 XT cranks were $119. The new XT cranks are $249!! That, folks, is a HUGE increase. Your next bike will cost a *lot* more than your last bike did. Low-priced Shimano sources are drying up quickly. If you're thinking of stocking up, do it very soon. Is Shimano begging us to switch to SRAM, or what? Rocketman If i choose to buy xtr more power to me. Then you won't mind me snickering behind your back, I guess. Don't be jealous. It's hard to be jealous of a fool and his money. You can buy sram & pretend to like it. I'll stick with my bombproof older 8-speed XT and XTR gear - still working perfectly, and shifting much better than *any* 9-speed crap. That dust cloud bombing past you and laughing will be me. Rocketman -- rec.bicycles.off-road is moderated by volunteers. To find help solving posting problems, or contact the moderators, please see http://rbor.org/ Please read the charter before posting: http://rbor.org/rbor_charter.txt |
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older is faster
"Rocketman" wrote in message news:Fu0Jb.24259$I07.62100@attbi_s53... mega snip I'll stick with my bombproof older 8-speed XT and XTR gear - still working perfectly, and shifting much better than *any* 9-speed crap. heh. That dust cloud bombing past you and laughing will be me. Nothing like older bombproof parts, to make one faster. -- rec.bicycles.off-road is moderated by volunteers. To find help solving posting problems, or contact the moderators, please see http://rbor.org/ Please read the charter before posting: http://rbor.org/rbor_charter.txt |
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