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Split link on deraillieur chain.
Is it even worth looking for one or should I just grab the chain punch?
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Split link on deraillieur chain.
On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 15:26:40 -0000, "Ian Field"
wrote: Is it even worth looking for one or should I just grab the chain punch? Thanks. To be politically correct one should search a Shimano chain to discover the original joining pin and remove that pin. It can be identified by having a different end then the others. In reality it may not make much of a difference as several shops have told me that they, "just push out any pin". -- Cheers, John B. |
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Split link on deraillieur chain.
On Mar 4, 3:26*pm, "Ian Field" wrote:
Is it even worth looking for one or should I just grab the chain punch? Thanks. What did the dice say? |
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Split link on deraillieur chain.
On Mar 5, 6:19*am, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 15:26:40 -0000, "Ian Field" wrote: Is it even worth looking for one or should I just grab the chain punch? Thanks. To be politically correct one should search a Shimano chain to discover the original joining pin and remove that pin. It can be identified by having a different end then the others. In reality it may *not make much of a difference as several shops have told me that they, "just push out any pin". -- Cheers, John B. I thought there was twenty or so pins that the skinny chain was designed to have removed and that a different link be used with each separation, or is that some other chain brand? |
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Split link on deraillieur chain.
On Mon, 5 Mar 2012 00:12:28 -0800 (PST), thirty-six
wrote: On Mar 5, 6:19*am, John B. wrote: On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 15:26:40 -0000, "Ian Field" wrote: Is it even worth looking for one or should I just grab the chain punch? Thanks. To be politically correct one should search a Shimano chain to discover the original joining pin and remove that pin. It can be identified by having a different end then the others. In reality it may *not make much of a difference as several shops have told me that they, "just push out any pin". -- Cheers, John B. I thought there was twenty or so pins that the skinny chain was designed to have removed and that a different link be used with each separation, or is that some other chain brand? To be frank I never counted them but if there is more then one I never noticed them and yes, Shimano recommends and sells the special pin to join chains. But as I said, several bike shops have told me that they just press out any pin and used the same pin to re-join the chain. As one of the shops is probably the largest, and considered probably the best in Bangkok I suspect that if reusing the pin caused a multitude of chain failures they would be a bit more conservative in their recommendation. -- Cheers, John B. |
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Split link on deraillieur chain.
On 3/5/2012 5:52 AM, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 5 Mar 2012 00:12:28 -0800 (PST), thirty-six wrote: On Mar 5, 6:19 am, John wrote: On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 15:26:40 -0000, "Ian Field" wrote: Is it even worth looking for one or should I just grab the chain punch? Thanks. To be politically correct one should search a Shimano chain to discover the original joining pin and remove that pin. It can be identified by having a different end then the others. In reality it may not make much of a difference as several shops have told me that they, "just push out any pin". -- Cheers, John B. I thought there was twenty or so pins that the skinny chain was designed to have removed and that a different link be used with each separation, or is that some other chain brand? To be frank I never counted them but if there is more then one I never noticed them and yes, Shimano recommends and sells the special pin to join chains. But as I said, several bike shops have told me that they just press out any pin and used the same pin to re-join the chain. As one of the shops is probably the largest, and considered probably the best in Bangkok I suspect that if reusing the pin caused a multitude of chain failures they would be a bit more conservative in their recommendation. -- Cheers, John B. I wouldn't do it. I'm not a fan of Shimano chains, and chain joining on newer narrow chains (8 speed & up) is tricky even with experience. If I had a chain without a quick/master link, I'd buy one a la carte. |
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Split link on deraillieur chain.
The "Special Shimano" pin is the only place you DO NOT want to break a Shimano chain.. Anywhere else is fine, but you need another "Special Shimano" pin to rejoin.. I have used these for years with no problem. You do need a chain tool however. I do carry a KMC link in my tool kit for a problem in the woods (or road). You still need a chain tool to remove the broken link in order to reconnect the (now shortened - bad) chain on the road. The Shimano pin is slightly larger in diameter than the rest and disturbs some material on the side plates when installed, thus the reason NOT to break the chain ever again in that spot. Hope this helps to explain it. Bob F. On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 14:37:11 -0500, Peter Cole wrote: On 3/5/2012 5:52 AM, John B. wrote: On Mon, 5 Mar 2012 00:12:28 -0800 (PST), thirty-six wrote: On Mar 5, 6:19 am, John wrote: On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 15:26:40 -0000, "Ian Field" wrote: Is it even worth looking for one or should I just grab the chain punch? Thanks. To be politically correct one should search a Shimano chain to discover the original joining pin and remove that pin. It can be identified by having a different end then the others. In reality it may not make much of a difference as several shops have told me that they, "just push out any pin". -- Cheers, John B. I thought there was twenty or so pins that the skinny chain was designed to have removed and that a different link be used with each separation, or is that some other chain brand? To be frank I never counted them but if there is more then one I never noticed them and yes, Shimano recommends and sells the special pin to join chains. But as I said, several bike shops have told me that they just press out any pin and used the same pin to re-join the chain. As one of the shops is probably the largest, and considered probably the best in Bangkok I suspect that if reusing the pin caused a multitude of chain failures they would be a bit more conservative in their recommendation. -- Cheers, John B. I wouldn't do it. I'm not a fan of Shimano chains, and chain joining on newer narrow chains (8 speed & up) is tricky even with experience. If I had a chain without a quick/master link, I'd buy one a la carte. |
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"davethedave" wrote in message news On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 15:26:40 +0000, Ian Field wrote: Is it even worth looking for one or should I just grab the chain punch? You lazy, hard of thinking muppet. Was there one there the last time you cleaned it? -- davethedave When I scrounged it on freecycle the chain looked like it hadn't seen any oil since the bike was bought. Since then its had a couple of cans of moly/graphite chainspray followed by a good smear of PTFE grease. I'd have to break the chain so I can take it off and wash it in parafin to get that lot off - so I can find the split link. |
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On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 14:37:11 -0500, Peter Cole
wrote: On 3/5/2012 5:52 AM, John B. wrote: On Mon, 5 Mar 2012 00:12:28 -0800 (PST), thirty-six wrote: On Mar 5, 6:19 am, John wrote: On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 15:26:40 -0000, "Ian Field" wrote: Is it even worth looking for one or should I just grab the chain punch? Thanks. To be politically correct one should search a Shimano chain to discover the original joining pin and remove that pin. It can be identified by having a different end then the others. In reality it may not make much of a difference as several shops have told me that they, "just push out any pin". -- Cheers, John B. I thought there was twenty or so pins that the skinny chain was designed to have removed and that a different link be used with each separation, or is that some other chain brand? To be frank I never counted them but if there is more then one I never noticed them and yes, Shimano recommends and sells the special pin to join chains. But as I said, several bike shops have told me that they just press out any pin and used the same pin to re-join the chain. As one of the shops is probably the largest, and considered probably the best in Bangkok I suspect that if reusing the pin caused a multitude of chain failures they would be a bit more conservative in their recommendation. -- Cheers, John B. I wouldn't do it. I'm not a fan of Shimano chains, and chain joining on newer narrow chains (8 speed & up) is tricky even with experience. If I had a chain without a quick/master link, I'd buy one a la carte. I didn't say that I did and in fact I use a master link. But from my experience in shortening chains it seems little different from the older chains. Press the pin until it allows the roller link to clear the outer plate and leave it in the outer plate. When you join it press it back. Just like we used to do. The main difference seems to be the force one has to exert to sheer the "flange" on the pin, which had originally been riveted in place. -- Cheers, John B. |
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Split link on deraillieur chain.
"davethedave" wrote in message ... On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 22:47:01 +0000, Ian Field wrote: When I scrounged it on freecycle the chain looked like it hadn't seen any oil since the bike was bought. Since then its had a couple of cans of moly/graphite chainspray followed by a good smear of PTFE grease. I'd have to break the chain so I can take it off and wash it in parafin to get that lot off - so I can find the split link. Toothbrush and a jar of dipping paraffin with many rags for soaking up excess. You might just be better off getting a new chain. I'd still have to clean it to count how many links! |
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