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School kids rarely ride bicycle anymore, why?
On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 16:08:17 -0800, Joerg
wrote: On 2020-02-20 14:51, John B. wrote: On Thu, 20 Feb 2020 13:52:32 +0100, Rolf Mantel wrote: Am 19.02.2020 um 23:46 schrieb John B.: Or to put it another way, did anyone ever take their girlfriend to the Junior Prom... on a bicycle? My answer at that age would be 1) what is a girl-friend? 2) What is a junior-prom? You rather prove my point... that only children ride bicycles and as soon as possible they graduate to an internal combustion powered device :-) Then when they are mid-life and the scales show a profound trend towards morbid obesity, the bicycle comes back out from the garage rafters. "Mid-life"? https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/childhood.html For children and adolescents aged 2-19 years1: The prevalence of obesity was 18.5% and affected about 13.7 million children and adolescents. -- cheers, John B. |
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School kids rarely ride bicycle anymore, why?
On 2020-02-26 18:38, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 16:08:17 -0800, Joerg wrote: On 2020-02-20 14:51, John B. wrote: On Thu, 20 Feb 2020 13:52:32 +0100, Rolf Mantel wrote: Am 19.02.2020 um 23:46 schrieb John B.: Or to put it another way, did anyone ever take their girlfriend to the Junior Prom... on a bicycle? My answer at that age would be 1) what is a girl-friend? 2) What is a junior-prom? You rather prove my point... that only children ride bicycles and as soon as possible they graduate to an internal combustion powered device :-) Then when they are mid-life and the scales show a profound trend towards morbid obesity, the bicycle comes back out from the garage rafters. "Mid-life"? https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/childhood.html For children and adolescents aged 2-19 years1: The prevalence of obesity was 18.5% and affected about 13.7 million children and adolescents. That perfectly corroborates the subject line. No more riding to school by bike, lots of sitting with the smart phone in hand, lots of fast food - obesity. I just came back from a 30-miler. Saw lots of school buses and soccer moms. School kids on bikes? Nope :-( -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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School kids rarely ride bicycle anymore, why?
On Thursday, 27 February 2020 18:36:59 UTC-5, Joerg wrote:
On 2020-02-26 18:38, John B. wrote: On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 16:08:17 -0800, Joerg wrote: On 2020-02-20 14:51, John B. wrote: On Thu, 20 Feb 2020 13:52:32 +0100, Rolf Mantel wrote: Am 19.02.2020 um 23:46 schrieb John B.: Or to put it another way, did anyone ever take their girlfriend to the Junior Prom... on a bicycle? My answer at that age would be 1) what is a girl-friend? 2) What is a junior-prom? You rather prove my point... that only children ride bicycles and as soon as possible they graduate to an internal combustion powered device :-) Then when they are mid-life and the scales show a profound trend towards morbid obesity, the bicycle comes back out from the garage rafters. "Mid-life"? https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/childhood.html For children and adolescents aged 2-19 years1: The prevalence of obesity was 18.5% and affected about 13.7 million children and adolescents. That perfectly corroborates the subject line. No more riding to school by bike, lots of sitting with the smart phone in hand, lots of fast food - obesity. I just came back from a 30-miler. Saw lots of school buses and soccer moms. School kids on bikes? Nope :-( -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ Maybe it has something to do with it being banned = riding a bicycle to school that is. Fortunately some of those bans have been lifted but... Has the damage be done? Can it be undone? https://bikeportland.org/2009/08/19/...the-rise-22560 https://www.bicycling.com/news/a2002...in-some-areas/ https://money.cnn.com/2017/07/25/tec...ion/index.html Cheers |
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School kids rarely ride bicycle anymore, why?
On 2020-02-27 16:11, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Thursday, 27 February 2020 18:36:59 UTC-5, Joerg wrote: On 2020-02-26 18:38, John B. wrote: On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 16:08:17 -0800, Joerg wrote: On 2020-02-20 14:51, John B. wrote: On Thu, 20 Feb 2020 13:52:32 +0100, Rolf Mantel wrote: Am 19.02.2020 um 23:46 schrieb John B.: Or to put it another way, did anyone ever take their girlfriend to the Junior Prom... on a bicycle? My answer at that age would be 1) what is a girl-friend? 2) What is a junior-prom? You rather prove my point... that only children ride bicycles and as soon as possible they graduate to an internal combustion powered device :-) Then when they are mid-life and the scales show a profound trend towards morbid obesity, the bicycle comes back out from the garage rafters. "Mid-life"? https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/childhood.html For children and adolescents aged 2-19 years1: The prevalence of obesity was 18.5% and affected about 13.7 million children and adolescents. That perfectly corroborates the subject line. No more riding to school by bike, lots of sitting with the smart phone in hand, lots of fast food - obesity. I just came back from a 30-miler. Saw lots of school buses and soccer moms. School kids on bikes? Nope :-( -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ Maybe it has something to do with it being banned = riding a bicycle to school that is. Fortunately some of those bans have been lifted but... Has the damage be done? Can it be undone? https://bikeportland.org/2009/08/19/...the-rise-22560 https://www.bicycling.com/news/a2002...in-some-areas/ https://money.cnn.com/2017/07/25/tec...ion/index.html In my area it's not banned but kids still don't ride. I find that such bans are unconstitutional and any politician or other elected person supporting a riding ban would be declared permanently unelectable in our house. Even as a kid I would not have accepted a ban and been riding anyhow. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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School kids rarely ride bicycle anymore, why?
On Thursday, February 27, 2020 at 3:36:59 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2020-02-26 18:38, John B. wrote: On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 16:08:17 -0800, Joerg wrote: On 2020-02-20 14:51, John B. wrote: On Thu, 20 Feb 2020 13:52:32 +0100, Rolf Mantel wrote: Am 19.02.2020 um 23:46 schrieb John B.: Or to put it another way, did anyone ever take their girlfriend to the Junior Prom... on a bicycle? My answer at that age would be 1) what is a girl-friend? 2) What is a junior-prom? You rather prove my point... that only children ride bicycles and as soon as possible they graduate to an internal combustion powered device :-) Then when they are mid-life and the scales show a profound trend towards morbid obesity, the bicycle comes back out from the garage rafters. "Mid-life"? https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/childhood.html For children and adolescents aged 2-19 years1: The prevalence of obesity was 18.5% and affected about 13.7 million children and adolescents. That perfectly corroborates the subject line. No more riding to school by bike, lots of sitting with the smart phone in hand, lots of fast food - obesity. I just came back from a 30-miler. Saw lots of school buses and soccer moms. School kids on bikes? Nope :-( Out of curiosity, what are riding conditions like -- bike facilities, weather, location of the school? Around here, the number of cyclists is highly dependent on those things. https://bikeportland.org/2014/01/17/...schools-100062 -- Jay Beattie. |
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School kids rarely ride bicycle anymore, why?
This was 30-35-40 years ago.Â* So well before Frank's "danger,
danger, danger" mantra began to frighten bicyclists.Â* So I don't know why I was the ONLY kid who rode a bicycle to school.Â* I did know of one other kid who rode bicycles recreationally like me. The whole idea that bicycling is exceptionally dangerous frightens parents into not allowing their children to ride to school. Sadly, we did have one student killed several years ago while riding to high school. We are working to address the safety issues as best we can. The "danger danger" mantra is unhelpful, but fortunately probably almost no school parent reads r.b.t.. |
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School kids rarely ride bicycle anymore, why?
On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 7:30:32 AM UTC-8, sms wrote:
This was 30-35-40 years ago.Â* So well before Frank's "danger, danger, danger" mantra began to frighten bicyclists.Â* So I don't know why I was the ONLY kid who rode a bicycle to school.Â* I did know of one other kid who rode bicycles recreationally like me. The whole idea that bicycling is exceptionally dangerous frightens parents into not allowing their children to ride to school. Sadly, we did have one student killed several years ago while riding to high school. We are working to address the safety issues as best we can. The "danger danger" mantra is unhelpful, but fortunately probably almost no school parent reads r.b.t.. There is only ONE manner in which to address bicycle safety and that is to strongly enforce traffic laws for motor vehicles. This is almost unbelievable that people are so entirely used to being able to break traffic laws indiscriminately that when a cop does try to stop them it may end up in an over 100 mph chase through three counties. How is it that school zones became 25 mph from 15 mph? Is that reflecting the attempt to teach children to be careful by thinning the herd on the grills of passing BMW's? Enforcing traffic laws enrichens the cities with strict fines and makes the roads safer for everyone. Seems a bit simple so why hasn't the government used that simple procedure? |
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School kids rarely ride bicycle anymore, why?
On 2020-02-27 16:51, jbeattie wrote:
On Thursday, February 27, 2020 at 3:36:59 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote: On 2020-02-26 18:38, John B. wrote: On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 16:08:17 -0800, Joerg wrote: On 2020-02-20 14:51, John B. wrote: On Thu, 20 Feb 2020 13:52:32 +0100, Rolf Mantel wrote: Am 19.02.2020 um 23:46 schrieb John B.: Or to put it another way, did anyone ever take their girlfriend to the Junior Prom... on a bicycle? My answer at that age would be 1) what is a girl-friend? 2) What is a junior-prom? You rather prove my point... that only children ride bicycles and as soon as possible they graduate to an internal combustion powered device :-) Then when they are mid-life and the scales show a profound trend towards morbid obesity, the bicycle comes back out from the garage rafters. "Mid-life"? https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/childhood.html For children and adolescents aged 2-19 years1: The prevalence of obesity was 18.5% and affected about 13.7 million children and adolescents. That perfectly corroborates the subject line. No more riding to school by bike, lots of sitting with the smart phone in hand, lots of fast food - obesity. I just came back from a 30-miler. Saw lots of school buses and soccer moms. School kids on bikes? Nope :-( Out of curiosity, what are riding conditions like -- bike facilities, weather, location of the school? Around here, the number of cyclists is highly dependent on those things. https://bikeportland.org/2014/01/17/...schools-100062 Mostly they have bike paths or at least roads with bike lanes. Bike lanes aren't so good because lots of students and probably teachers park their car on them. That seems to be legal in California, at least the police doesn't write tickets. When the bike lanes are plastered with parked cars you are in the lane. Uncomfortable but not a problem for me, though it may be for students. Zoom in here and you'll see: However, in this example a lot of kids live north and there is a nice separated bike path. That takes away any excuse yet it's completely void of kids when I come through there during times when one of the schools lets out. Sorry for the long link. It seems Google bungled the share function or hid it in a new place. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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School kids rarely ride bicycle anymore, why?
On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 9:39:54 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2020-02-27 16:51, jbeattie wrote: On Thursday, February 27, 2020 at 3:36:59 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote: On 2020-02-26 18:38, John B. wrote: On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 16:08:17 -0800, Joerg wrote: On 2020-02-20 14:51, John B. wrote: On Thu, 20 Feb 2020 13:52:32 +0100, Rolf Mantel wrote: Am 19.02.2020 um 23:46 schrieb John B.: Or to put it another way, did anyone ever take their girlfriend to the Junior Prom... on a bicycle? My answer at that age would be 1) what is a girl-friend? 2) What is a junior-prom? You rather prove my point... that only children ride bicycles and as soon as possible they graduate to an internal combustion powered device :-) Then when they are mid-life and the scales show a profound trend towards morbid obesity, the bicycle comes back out from the garage rafters. "Mid-life"? https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/childhood.html For children and adolescents aged 2-19 years1: The prevalence of obesity was 18.5% and affected about 13.7 million children and adolescents. That perfectly corroborates the subject line. No more riding to school by bike, lots of sitting with the smart phone in hand, lots of fast food - obesity. I just came back from a 30-miler. Saw lots of school buses and soccer moms. School kids on bikes? Nope :-( Out of curiosity, what are riding conditions like -- bike facilities, weather, location of the school? Around here, the number of cyclists is highly dependent on those things. https://bikeportland.org/2014/01/17/...schools-100062 Mostly they have bike paths or at least roads with bike lanes. Bike lanes aren't so good because lots of students and probably teachers park their car on them. That seems to be legal in California, at least the police doesn't write tickets. When the bike lanes are plastered with parked cars you are in the lane. Uncomfortable but not a problem for me, though it may be for students. Zoom in here and you'll see: However, in this example a lot of kids live north and there is a nice separated bike path. That takes away any excuse yet it's completely void of kids when I come through there during times when one of the schools lets out. Sorry for the long link. It seems Google bungled the share function or hid it in a new place. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ It isn't legal in California. But it isn't prosecuted or even ticketed. In California the car is king and no one else matters. The only reason that they are providing bike lanes and trails is because the Federal government gives rather large subsidies for them. |
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