cyclist mows down woman and her dog, on a zebra crossing.

On 28/02/2020 20:17, Simon Mason wrote:
On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 6:09:32 PM UTC, Pamela wrote:
On 14:57 28 Feb 2020, Simon Mason wrote:

On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 2:38:53 PM UTC, Pamela wrote:
I would add recklessness as an important factor.

My friend got knocked off her feet in Central London by a cyclist. She's
never been hit by a car. It was a reckless cyclist.

Was she staring at the her 'phone at the same time?

No, but I wonder what the cyclist's excuse was for not seeing her.

"Dazzled by the Sun" is an old favourite used by many killer drivers.

Prince Philip chose that one.

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Bod

On 20:17 28 Feb 2020, Simon Mason wrote:
On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 6:09:32 PM UTC, Pamela wrote:
On 14:57 28 Feb 2020, Simon Mason wrote:
On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 2:38:53 PM UTC, Pamela wrote:
I would add recklessness as an important factor.


My friend got knocked off her feet in Central London by a cyclist.
She's never been hit by a car. It was a reckless cyclist.

Was she staring at the her 'phone at the same time?

No, but I wonder what the cyclist's excuse was for not seeing her.

"Dazzled by the Sun" is an old favourite used by many killer drivers.

So killer cyclists would use the same excuse. For shame.

On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 9:23:21 PM UTC, Pamela wrote:
On 20:17 28 Feb 2020, Simon Mason wrote:
On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 6:09:32 PM UTC, Pamela wrote:
On 14:57 28 Feb 2020, Simon Mason wrote:
On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 2:38:53 PM UTC, Pamela wrote:
I would add recklessness as an important factor.


My friend got knocked off her feet in Central London by a cyclist.
She's never been hit by a car. It was a reckless cyclist.

Was she staring at the her 'phone at the same time?

No, but I wonder what the cyclist's excuse was for not seeing her.

"Dazzled by the Sun" is an old favourite used by many killer drivers.

So killer cyclists would use the same excuse. For shame.

Who was killed by a cyclist?

On 21:57 28 Feb 2020, Simon Mason wrote:

On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 9:23:21 PM UTC, Pamela wrote:
On 20:17 28 Feb 2020, Simon Mason wrote:
On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 6:09:32 PM UTC, Pamela wrote:
On 14:57 28 Feb 2020, Simon Mason wrote:
On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 2:38:53 PM UTC, Pamela wrote:
I would add recklessness as an important factor.


My friend got knocked off her feet in Central London by a
cyclist. She's never been hit by a car. It was a reckless
cyclist.

Was she staring at the her 'phone at the same time?

No, but I wonder what the cyclist's excuse was for not seeing her.

"Dazzled by the Sun" is an old favourite used by many killer drivers.

So killer cyclists would use the same excuse. For shame.

Who was killed by a cyclist?

Kim Briggs was killed by Charlie Alliston.

"You have throughout sought to put your blame on her," the judge said
to him.

"Perhaps one of the most shocking things about this case is that you
could not and apparently cannot still see any fault in your cycling or
judgment."

On Saturday, February 29, 2020 at 10:24:51 AM UTC, Pamela wrote:
On 21:57 28 Feb 2020, Simon Mason wrote:

On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 9:23:21 PM UTC, Pamela wrote:
On 20:17 28 Feb 2020, Simon Mason wrote:
On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 6:09:32 PM UTC, Pamela wrote:
On 14:57 28 Feb 2020, Simon Mason wrote:
On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 2:38:53 PM UTC, Pamela wrote:
I would add recklessness as an important factor.


My friend got knocked off her feet in Central London by a
cyclist. She's never been hit by a car. It was a reckless
cyclist.

Was she staring at the her 'phone at the same time?

No, but I wonder what the cyclist's excuse was for not seeing her.

"Dazzled by the Sun" is an old favourite used by many killer drivers.

So killer cyclists would use the same excuse. For shame.

Who was killed by a cyclist?

Kim Briggs was killed by Charlie Alliston.

In 2016? That story has whiskers on it.

On Saturday, February 29, 2020 at 10:24:51 AM UTC, Pamela wrote:
On 21:57 28 Feb 2020, Simon Mason wrote:

On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 9:23:21 PM UTC, Pamela wrote:
On 20:17 28 Feb 2020, Simon Mason wrote:
On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 6:09:32 PM UTC, Pamela wrote:
On 14:57 28 Feb 2020, Simon Mason wrote:
On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 2:38:53 PM UTC, Pamela wrote:
I would add recklessness as an important factor.


My friend got knocked off her feet in Central London by a
cyclist. She's never been hit by a car. It was a reckless
cyclist.

Was she staring at the her 'phone at the same time?

No, but I wonder what the cyclist's excuse was for not seeing her.

"Dazzled by the Sun" is an old favourite used by many killer drivers.

So killer cyclists would use the same excuse. For shame.

Who was killed by a cyclist?

Kim Briggs was killed by Charlie Alliston.

Here is a court case from this week.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-old-girl.html

On 28/02/2020 14:38, Pamela wrote:
On 19:49 27 Feb 2020, TMS320 wrote:
On 27/02/2020 18:43, Pamela wrote:
On 14:06 26 Feb 2020, TMS320 wrote:

So let me ask you. What is peculiar about a cyclist knocking
someone over that is not peculiar about a driver knocking
someone over?

Almost no identified motorist who knocks over a blind pedestrian
on a pedestrian crossing escapes prosecution. On the other hand,
the cyclist in question has done.

Don't blame cyclists. It's a matter for the authorities.

Additionally, a cyclist has to be exceeding the normal limits of
riding a bicycle by a proportionally greater margin to cause such
an accident as described than a motorist would while driving a
car.

The only thing that counts is the number and severity of
casualties. Your idea is frankly stupid.

I would add recklessness as an important factor.

Motive is a matter of opinion. Casualties are the only physical thing
that can be counted. When drivers are better than cyclists, let's talk
about cyclists.

My friend got knocked off her feet in Central London by a cyclist.
She's never been hit by a car. It was a reckless cyclist.

Most people get through their entire life without once being knocked
over. The experience of one person is nothing to go on.

My anecdote is that my mother in law was knocked over by a driver who
did not stop. She spent a night in hospital. The driver obviously hadn't
taken conditions into account. I think that makes it reckless.

On 28/02/2020 18:09, Pamela wrote:
On 14:57 28 Feb 2020, Simon Mason wrote:
On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 2:38:53 PM UTC, Pamela wrote:
I would add recklessness as an important factor.

My friend got knocked off her feet in Central London by a cyclist. She's
never been hit by a car. It was a reckless cyclist.

Was she staring at the her 'phone at the same time?

No, but I wonder what the cyclist's excuse was for not seeing her.

Inattention, error of judgement, incompetence. The same as 100 drivers
per day.

On Saturday, February 29, 2020 at 5:29:14 PM UTC, TMS320 wrote:

My anecdote is that my mother in law was knocked over by a driver who
did not stop. She spent a night in hospital. The driver obviously hadn't
taken conditions into account. I think that makes it reckless.

My anecdote is that I was hit by a driver who undertook a car with me on his nearside knocking me off and putting me in hospital with a bust collarbone. He was careless.

On Saturday, 29 February 2020 17:35:29 UTC, Simon Mason wrote:
On Saturday, February 29, 2020 at 5:29:14 PM UTC, TMS320 wrote:

My anecdote is that my mother in law was knocked over by a driver who
did not stop. She spent a night in hospital. The driver obviously hadn't
taken conditions into account. I think that makes it reckless.

My anecdote is that I was hit by a driver who undertook a car with me on his nearside knocking me off and putting me in hospital with a bust collarbone. He was careless.

My anecdote is that I was on a pedestrian crossing with the pedestrian light green and a 'road tax paying law abiding' motorist overtook in the zigzags and would have hit me if I had crossed 1 second earlier. Obviously a cyclist's fault and my helmet would have saved my life had I been wearing one.

Mike