Fourth year cycle anomalies

On Fri, 18 Dec 2020 11:52:58 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
wrote:

Jeff, I wonder if you actually think that I give two hoots
about what you think? I watch you write your crap and wonder
what sort of world you live in. Certainly it is not one of reality.

As usual, you reply to questions and comments with a change of topic,
an implied insult, and no indication that you actually read anything.
Of course, no references, links, substantiations, or quotes. I
replied to all your points. You didn't even try. At least you're
consistent. I read somewhere that Russia is paying for misleading
advertisements on Facebook and subsidizing trolls to simulate
Americans:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_web_brigades
Are you one of those Russian trolls? Does Moscow supply you with
"facts" for distribution?

Since you are fairly consistent in your style, perhaps you're actually
a robot? No need to answer since you apparently will not give 2.0
hoots to salvage your reputation and image. Have you been able to
change anyone's opinion with your facts, numbers, or logic?

We do agree on one thing. Your reality is very different from mine.

In my never ending battle to defend truth, justice, and the American
way, I'll continue to correct your factual and numerical errors but
mostly ignore your logic and opinions, which are obviously faulty even
to a casual observer.


--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 1:05:55 PM UTC-8, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Dec 2020 11:52:58 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
wrote:

Jeff, I wonder if you actually think that I give two hoots
about what you think? I watch you write your crap and wonder
what sort of world you live in. Certainly it is not one of reality.
As usual, you reply to questions and comments with a change of topic,
an implied insult, and no indication that you actually read anything.
Of course, no references, links, substantiations, or quotes. I
replied to all your points. You didn't even try. At least you're
consistent. I read somewhere that Russia is paying for misleading
advertisements on Facebook and subsidizing trolls to simulate
Americans:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_web_brigades
Are you one of those Russian trolls? Does Moscow supply you with
"facts" for distribution?

Since you are fairly consistent in your style, perhaps you're actually
a robot? No need to answer since you apparently will not give 2.0
hoots to salvage your reputation and image. Have you been able to
change anyone's opinion with your facts, numbers, or logic?

We do agree on one thing. Your reality is very different from mine.

In my never ending battle to defend truth, justice, and the American
way, I'll continue to correct your factual and numerical errors but
mostly ignore your logic and opinions, which are obviously faulty even
to a casual observer.

If you weren't so insult worthy you wouldn't receive them so often.

On Thursday, December 17, 2020 at 6:33:26 PM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 1:45:33 AM UTC, AMuzi wrote:
On 12/17/2020 7:37 PM, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 17 Dec 2020 19:18:55 -0600, AMuzi wrote:

Elon Musk did in fact vote with his feet this week.

As the minimum wage in Texas is about 40% lower then California
perhaps this adds support to your previous comments about the value of
minimum wages.

Minimum wage regulation depresses labor supply and demand.
Unemployment currently in California 9.3%, in Texas 6.9%.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
The difference between the two is probably more than appears. See, in an honest state like Texas, they probably count about two percent of the populace between jobs as full employment, a position for which you will find a lot of solid support from economists who'll tell you there is presently in Texas close to 4.9% of genuine unemployment (i.e. people available to take up a new job immediately) due to economic suppression by the Coronavirus pandemic-fighting measures. Economists at the Texas universities can probably tell you in which industries these people will find work after the emergency is over and -- since that doesn't look like a big pool of unemployment under these circumstances -- which industries will go begging for workers with specific skills. Whereas in California, first of all you have so much seasonal work that a larger percentage of the workforce is in normal transition between jobs, and secondly, the black economy is so large and so varied, it takes a monstrous article of faith to believe a leftwing bureaucracy counted them even half-right, and at the bottom of this pyramid of funny numbers, there are so many reasons for drawing benefits that are not accounted for in the unemployment return that the genuinely unemployed are permanently undercounted to the extent that "unaccounted" may be a more descriptive word. One of my favourite professors said, "California statistics are sprinkled with magic dust." In short, the Texas number overstates what a business executive might view as the reality of people not already hired by another employer or waiting to go back to a known job at the end of a lockdown and therefore being available, while for political reasons the California number understates the genuinely unemployed by an unknown but suspected to be substantial ratio.These numbers you quote, Andrew, while on the surface comparable, can't even tell us how much worse California has been hit by the epidemic than Texas, except with the broadest brush possible. I'd put my faith in your other indicators -- Musk and Ellison giving up on California -- before trying to make sense of California unemployment (or employment) numbers. --- AJ

PS Here's another one for you. Is California by itself now the 9th latest economy in the world, or the 6th, or some other number anyone wants to pull out of thin air aka Wikipedia? Maybe it's time to split California with Oregon and Washington State off into the Pacific as a nation on its own.
If California, Washington and Oregon were split off into their own nation they would be a third world nation almost immediately because the only thing presently sustaining these economies is the Federal hand-outs.

On 12/18/2020 6:57 AM, jbeattie wrote:

snip

None of the recent "peace treaties" resulted in cessation of hostilities and most were akin to trade deals. The people of Israel can now get a better price on a fez from Morocco. Whether these produce any larger benefit or detriment is yet to be seen. Biden should work for the big peace between Israel and Mauritania or maybe Comoros.

The last real peace treaty was between Egypt and Israel, during the
Carter administration.

During the Clinton administration it was very close to a treaty between
Israel and the Palestinians living in the disputed territories, but
Yasser Arafat decided to reject the agreement.

The Trump "normalization agreements" are pretty much meaningless since
there was no danger of any war between Israel and any of those countries
anyway. The Palestinians see the normalization agreements as a betrayal
of their cause, but it may spur them to come to a peace agreement since
they're losing the support of other Arab countries and the longer they
delay the more Israeli settlements will be built in the disputed
territories.

Given Trump's enormous domestic policy failures he was looking for
something positive on the foreign policy front.

On 12/18/2020 2:02 AM, Rolf Mantel wrote:

snip

Yes, Trump manage to sign peace treaties between Israel and various Arab
nations.Â* However, these are one-sided peace treaties denying the
Palestinians and the West Saharans their rights without due
compensation.Â* Whether these treaties will lead to a more peaceful world
or trigger future wars (like the versailles treaty did) or terrorism
remains to be seen.

The other Arab countries have grown weary of the Palestinian cause. It's
bad for business and they know that Israel will never agree to give up
East Jerusalem but the Palestinians will not accept a two-state solution
that does not give them East Jerusalem. It's a stalemate with no easy
solution.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-gulf-arabs-weary-of-protesting-for-palestine-11602251852

On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 1:47:25 PM UTC-8, sms wrote:
On 12/18/2020 2:02 AM, Rolf Mantel wrote:

snip
Yes, Trump manage to sign peace treaties between Israel and various Arab
nations. However, these are one-sided peace treaties denying the
Palestinians and the West Saharans their rights without due
compensation. Whether these treaties will lead to a more peaceful world
or trigger future wars (like the versailles treaty did) or terrorism
remains to be seen.
The other Arab countries have grown weary of the Palestinian cause. It's
bad for business and they know that Israel will never agree to give up
East Jerusalem but the Palestinians will not accept a two-state solution
that does not give them East Jerusalem. It's a stalemate with no easy
solution.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-gulf-arabs-weary-of-protesting-for-palestine-11602251852
I see that your total understanding of the world is from left leaning morons. Iran is a clear and present threat to EVERYONE in the area and that is what the treaties were supposed to oppose. I suggest you keep your politics to your localized far left wing failures.

On Fri, 18 Dec 2020 13:26:35 -0800, Tom Kunich wrote:

If California, Washington and Oregon were split off into their own
nation they would be a third world nation almost immediately because the
only thing presently sustaining these economies is the Federal
hand-outs.

Don't you fear for your pension.

On Saturday, December 19, 2020 at 1:13:25 AM UTC, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 4:39:41 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:


The general thought is that the Gulf States are full of
money and bereft of ideas for the future while Israeli
startups are full of talent and looking for investors. I can
see the argument. More fruitfully, these things drive the
Persians and the Turks to distraction, so that's one nice
aspect.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
I get that, an that's why I didn't write it off as total fluff. It could be a good strategy, although I don't know the cost -- either the bribe cost or the long-term cost in terms of blow-back.

-- Jay Beattie.

For all these oil-rich Arab statelets, not paying the supercilious Swiss to keep their money (negative interest) was always a big deal. Now, with the Trump bonanza of American oil and gas upsetting their future income expectations, they'd like to earn a buck. Israel is basically an Army, a very large fruit farm, and the real Silicon Valley of the world. (Slow Johnny will look up the comparative numbers if high-tech patents taken out by Israeli relative to population size. Make yourself useful, Shortass.) There are big bucks to be made investing in Israeli scientific knowhow, and these progressive (in the best sense) Arab statelets (most of them are one or two mickey mouse cities and a bit of desert) wouldn't mind at all sheltering under the Israeli military umbrella when Islamites with warlike intentions (Turkey, Iran) of restoring the Caliphate try to intimidate them. Also, they're fed up with the costs of the Palestinians, not so much in money because they don't give much while the American taxpayer gets screwed, but the costs in security of the Palestinians' futile dream of driving the Israelites into the sea. Also, and rather important to people whose grandfathers were camel thieves, the Palestinians have cost them too much in respect in the eyes of the world, and without their oil being important, that lack of respect might find open expression, whereas nobody disrespects the friends of Israel and gets away with it. Basically, they've traded in the Palestinians -- and high time too -- to join the West. These are hugely significant moves that Messrs Trump & Pompeo engineered because the nations who've signed up are the pioneers of removing all the immediately semitic family (Jews and Arabs are all semites) support from the Palestinians, leaving only rogue Islamic states like Iran and Turkey (who are not semites, the Persians being Eurasians, sometimes called Aryans, and the Turks being what their name says, a Turkoman people also out of Asia, like the ones who populate the -stans, and therefore count for less even among the good Arab Muslims, and at the same time are more threatening to the small Arab nations). It may take a few years before the Palestinians wise up to the fact that they must cut a deal or starve, but their wars are finished.

Andre Jute
Geopolitics is good training for chess

On Fri, 18 Dec 2020 18:08:44 -0800, Andre Jute wrote:

On Saturday, December 19, 2020 at 1:13:25 AM UTC, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 4:39:41 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:


The general thought is that the Gulf States are full of money and
bereft of ideas for the future while Israeli startups are full of
talent and looking for investors. I can see the argument. More
fruitfully, these things drive the Persians and the Turks to
distraction, so that's one nice aspect.
--
Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
I get that, an that's why I didn't write it off as total fluff. It
could be a good strategy, although I don't know the cost -- either the
bribe cost or the long-term cost in terms of blow-back.

-- Jay Beattie.

For all these oil-rich Arab statelets, not paying the supercilious Swiss
to keep their money (negative interest) was always a big deal. Now, with
the Trump bonanza of American oil and gas upsetting their future income
expectations, they'd like to earn a buck. Israel is basically an Army, a
very large fruit farm, and the real Silicon Valley of the world. (Slow
Johnny will look up the comparative numbers if high-tech patents taken
out by Israeli relative to population size. Make yourself useful,
Shortass.) There are big bucks to be made investing in Israeli
scientific knowhow, and these progressive (in the best sense) Arab
statelets (most of them are one or two mickey mouse cities and a bit of
desert) wouldn't mind at all sheltering under the Israeli military
umbrella when Islamites with warlike intentions (Turkey, Iran) of
restoring the Caliphate try to intimidate them. Also, they're fed up
with the costs of the Palestinians, not so much in money because they
don't give much while the American taxpayer gets screwed, but the costs
in security of the Palestinians' futile dream of driving the Israelites
into the sea. Also, and rather important to people whose grandfathers
were camel thieves, the Palestinians have cost them too much in respect
in the eyes of the world, and without their oil being important, that
lack of respect might find open expression, whereas nobody disrespects
the friends of Israel and gets away with it. Basically, they've traded
in the Palestinians -- and high time too -- to join the West. These are
hugely significant moves that Messrs Trump & Pompeo engineered because
the nations who've signed up are the pioneers of removing all the
immediately semitic family (Jews and Arabs are all semites) support from
the Palestinians, leaving only rogue Islamic states like Iran and Turkey
(who are not semites, the Persians being Eurasians, sometimes called
Aryans, and the Turks being what their name says, a Turkoman people also
out of Asia, like the ones who populate the -stans, and therefore count
for less even among the good Arab Muslims, and at the same time are more
threatening to the small Arab nations). It may take a few years before
the Palestinians wise up to the fact that they must cut a deal or
starve, but their wars are finished.

Andre Jute Geopolitics is good training for chess

But not for an aspiring writer. White spaces and paragraphs would help.

On 12/18/2020 4:30 PM, News 2020 wrote:
On Fri, 18 Dec 2020 13:26:35 -0800, Tom Kunich wrote:

If California, Washington and Oregon were split off into their own
nation they would be a third world nation almost immediately because the
only thing presently sustaining these economies is the Federal
hand-outs.

Don't you fear for your pension.

California ranks 44th in terms of federal funding received, and 41st in
total dependency on the federal government.

Washington ranks 37th in terms of federal funding received and 42nd in
total dependency on the federal government.

Oregon ranks 27th in terms of federal funding received and 25th in total
dependency on the federal government.

It's the red states that are overwhelmingly dependent on the federal
government, with some exceptions.

Splitting off California, Washington, and Oregon would result in a net
loss to the federal government, but California and Washington would have
to take up the slack in Oregon for a while.

It would be best if some of the high-paying businesses in Silicon Valley
began to diversify their operations and open facilities in Oregon.
That's happened to some extent, i.e. Intel near Portland, but many of
the companies are not opening R&D centers in Oregon, they're putting
things like data centers there. Oregon has sufficient land, and more
importantly, sufficient water, to support a larger population.