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  #21  
Old December 12th 19, 04:28 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
JBeattie
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On Thursday, December 12, 2019 at 7:12:26 AM UTC-8, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Wednesday, December 11, 2019 at 3:15:05 PM UTC-8, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, December 11, 2019 at 1:56:22 PM UTC-8, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Tuesday, December 10, 2019 at 5:23:52 PM UTC-8, sms wrote:
On 12/10/2019 3:23 PM, Chalo wrote:
sms wrote:

Personally, if I were him, I'd buy a used kid's road bike [...]

I think you're not remembering what being a kid is like, and also not observing the way kids are.

Road bikes (as in drop bar bikes) don't suit the vast majority of adults, let alone children.

No, I didn't mean to imply drop bars. I meant to imply no suspension
fork, road tires, and proper handlebars, sometimes called cafe bars or
granny bars.

The 24" wheeled Mixte that my neighbor's daughter has is more like what
I was thinking about
https://jetimages.jetcdn.net/md5/05244bdc473519ec3f17373b464f86a8.. I
don't know what possessed Schwinn to offer such an expensive to produce
bicycle for Walmart.

I started all three daughters on normal road bikes. Two of them ended up racing and one got second or third (can't remember which) at the Jr. Nationals. They also put their rear wheels in the water in Portland and their front wheels in the water in the Atlantic after crossing the entire continent - three daughters and their mother.

Never sell people short and think that they can't grasp the use of the most complex bicycle.


Bad news, Tom. Portland is not on the coast. The girls were about 80 miles short of crossing the entire continent. They'll have to start over.

I bought a lot of bikes for my son when he was a kid, and he hardly rode any of them. He didn't start riding seriously until he went off to college, and they he went nuts. https://attheu.utah.edu/home-page/be...alt-lake-city/ He's the lug in the middle, back when he was a young, skinny roadie. Years later, he's a gym rat first and cyclist second, and at 6'6" he's starting to look more like Ivan Drago than Ivan Basso. Anyway, kids have to want to ride. Foisting nice bikes upon them is a waste of money.

-- Jay Beattie.


Bad mews Jay, a 13 year old road coast to coast and you didn't. So argue that my using the town of Portland instead of Astoria which most people have never heard of makes you want to argue. But then from your normal postings what doesn't?


You're so cranky! It was a joke.

BTW, I have ridden coast to coast and border to border N-S (and into Canada), although I wasn't 13. My trans-AM ride started in SF, so I threw in another 600-700 miles and also did a jog down to Knoxville to see some friends and then a jog up the east coast to NYC to see my sister, although much of that was in a car.

-- Jay Beattie.



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Old December 12th 19, 07:22 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Wed, 11 Dec 2019 16:29:58 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 12/11/2019 1:13 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 18:59:16 -0800 (PST), Frank Krygowski
wrote:

I wonder what his successor rides?
- Frank Krygowski


Cycling Politicians
https://dcbikeblogger.wordpress.com/miscellaneous/cycling-politicians/


Wow, I'd forgotten about the Tour de Trump.
Do you suppose he's ever been on a bicycle?


I couldn't find any evidence of Donald Trump on a bicycle using Google
search. If Google can't find it, it doesn't exist.

"Does Donald Trump really hate bicycles? + video"
https://road.cc/content/feature/170387-does-donald-trump-really-hate-bicycles-video
... Trump was also asked about the last time he rode a bike.

"That was many, many years ago," he said. "The whole look of
bikes are much different today. I looked at some of the racing
bikes today and I said, ‘Is this a bike?’. It looked more like
a rocket ship. I would say [I last rode a bicycle] when I was
seven or eight years old."

Of course, with this interview a quarter of a century ago,
there’s a possibility that Trump might have ridden a bike
since then, although it seems highly unlikely.

That leaves the possibility that he might have ridden an exercise
bicycle at some time in the past, but I don't think that counts.


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Old December 12th 19, 10:20 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 12/11/2019 3:15 PM, jbeattie wrote:

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Bad news, Tom. Portland is not on the coast. The girls were about 80 miles short of crossing the entire continent. They'll have to start over.


While they didn't cross the entire continent, perhaps they dipped their
wheels into the Columbia River. Close enough. Or perhaps they really did
ride all the way to the Pacific.
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Old December 12th 19, 11:35 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Thursday, December 12, 2019 at 1:20:21 PM UTC-8, sms wrote:
On 12/11/2019 3:15 PM, jbeattie wrote:

snip

Bad news, Tom. Portland is not on the coast. The girls were about 80 miles short of crossing the entire continent. They'll have to start over.


While they didn't cross the entire continent, perhaps they dipped their
wheels into the Columbia River. Close enough. Or perhaps they really did
ride all the way to the Pacific.


Tom says they started in Astoria, which is still not on the coast, but if his wife and kids were on the standard Bikecentennial route, they would have cut over to the coast, gone south and then cut inland south of Tillamook. I came up from SF and rode entirely on the coast up to Florence and then cut inland -- over the spectacular McKenzie Pass and through central Oregon.

You could start the Bikecentennial route from Astoria or scenic Florence, former home of "Lawrence of Florence," a now forgotten roadside camel attraction at the sand dunes. https://traveloregon.com/things-to-d...-oregon-dunes/ I encountered Lawrence on a later ride down the coast with my wife and got the obligatory camel picture. Camels are more fun than the ubiquitous and ornery Roosevelt Elk. https://www.hcn.org/articles/wildlif...ns-north-coast

-- Jay Beattie.







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Old December 13th 19, 12:28 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 12/12/2019 5:35 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Thursday, December 12, 2019 at 1:20:21 PM UTC-8, sms wrote:
On 12/11/2019 3:15 PM, jbeattie wrote:

snip

Bad news, Tom. Portland is not on the coast. The girls were about 80 miles short of crossing the entire continent. They'll have to start over.


While they didn't cross the entire continent, perhaps they dipped their
wheels into the Columbia River. Close enough. Or perhaps they really did
ride all the way to the Pacific.


Tom says they started in Astoria, which is still not on the coast...


He actually said Portland.

We finished in a state park a few miles west of Astoria, dragging or
carrying our bikes over the sand to dip the front wheels.

--
- Frank Krygowski
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Old December 13th 19, 05:08 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Tom Kunich[_5_]
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On Thursday, December 12, 2019 at 2:35:02 PM UTC-8, jbeattie wrote:
On Thursday, December 12, 2019 at 1:20:21 PM UTC-8, sms wrote:
On 12/11/2019 3:15 PM, jbeattie wrote:

snip

Bad news, Tom. Portland is not on the coast. The girls were about 80 miles short of crossing the entire continent. They'll have to start over..


While they didn't cross the entire continent, perhaps they dipped their
wheels into the Columbia River. Close enough. Or perhaps they really did
ride all the way to the Pacific.


Tom says they started in Astoria, which is still not on the coast, but if his wife and kids were on the standard Bikecentennial route, they would have cut over to the coast, gone south and then cut inland south of Tillamook.. I came up from SF and rode entirely on the coast up to Florence and then cut inland -- over the spectacular McKenzie Pass and through central Oregon..

You could start the Bikecentennial route from Astoria or scenic Florence, former home of "Lawrence of Florence," a now forgotten roadside camel attraction at the sand dunes. https://traveloregon.com/things-to-d...-oregon-dunes/ I encountered Lawrence on a later ride down the coast with my wife and got the obligatory camel picture. Camels are more fun than the ubiquitous and ornery Roosevelt Elk. https://www.hcn.org/articles/wildlif...ns-north-coast

-- Jay Beattie.


Why would they have to start on the coast when Astoria is mere miles from the coast? The route they took went through Idaho and Montana before heading south. You could also argue that they didn't go all the way to the Atlantic Ocean because they didn't "ride" further than North Bay.

My comment was about not underestimating children and they abilities so of course you have to turn it into something about Bike Centennial which was something that hardly anyone had any interest in.
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Old December 13th 19, 05:08 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Tom Kunich[_5_]
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On Thursday, December 12, 2019 at 7:28:09 AM UTC-8, jbeattie wrote:
On Thursday, December 12, 2019 at 7:12:26 AM UTC-8, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Wednesday, December 11, 2019 at 3:15:05 PM UTC-8, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, December 11, 2019 at 1:56:22 PM UTC-8, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Tuesday, December 10, 2019 at 5:23:52 PM UTC-8, sms wrote:
On 12/10/2019 3:23 PM, Chalo wrote:
sms wrote:

Personally, if I were him, I'd buy a used kid's road bike [...]

I think you're not remembering what being a kid is like, and also not observing the way kids are.

Road bikes (as in drop bar bikes) don't suit the vast majority of adults, let alone children.

No, I didn't mean to imply drop bars. I meant to imply no suspension
fork, road tires, and proper handlebars, sometimes called cafe bars or
granny bars.

The 24" wheeled Mixte that my neighbor's daughter has is more like what
I was thinking about
https://jetimages.jetcdn.net/md5/05244bdc473519ec3f17373b464f86a8. I
don't know what possessed Schwinn to offer such an expensive to produce
bicycle for Walmart.

I started all three daughters on normal road bikes. Two of them ended up racing and one got second or third (can't remember which) at the Jr. Nationals. They also put their rear wheels in the water in Portland and their front wheels in the water in the Atlantic after crossing the entire continent - three daughters and their mother.

Never sell people short and think that they can't grasp the use of the most complex bicycle.

Bad news, Tom. Portland is not on the coast. The girls were about 80 miles short of crossing the entire continent. They'll have to start over..

I bought a lot of bikes for my son when he was a kid, and he hardly rode any of them. He didn't start riding seriously until he went off to college, and they he went nuts. https://attheu.utah.edu/home-page/be...alt-lake-city/ He's the lug in the middle, back when he was a young, skinny roadie. Years later, he's a gym rat first and cyclist second, and at 6'6" he's starting to look more like Ivan Drago than Ivan Basso. Anyway, kids have to want to ride. Foisting nice bikes upon them is a waste of money.

-- Jay Beattie.


Bad mews Jay, a 13 year old road coast to coast and you didn't. So argue that my using the town of Portland instead of Astoria which most people have never heard of makes you want to argue. But then from your normal postings what doesn't?


You're so cranky! It was a joke.

BTW, I have ridden coast to coast and border to border N-S (and into Canada), although I wasn't 13. My trans-AM ride started in SF, so I threw in another 600-700 miles and also did a jog down to Knoxville to see some friends and then a jog up the east coast to NYC to see my sister, although much of that was in a car.

-- Jay Beattie.


I wouldn't be so "cranky" if every single statement wasn't being assaulted. Exactly how moronic can Frank be to question me about being hit in the head with a tree limb below normal height in the bike lane? While I can understand Chalo not knowing science and hence being and easy target for the constant barrage of climate changeism, he , like all of this group will not actually believe real science and instead prefer rumor and myth. I have entirely stopped reading anything that John posts and most of the rest of the group have me kill filed so there is no interaction there.
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Old December 13th 19, 06:22 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Frank Krygowski[_4_]
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On 12/13/2019 11:08 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Thursday, December 12, 2019 at 7:28:09 AM UTC-8, jbeattie wrote:


You're so cranky! It was a joke.


I wouldn't be so "cranky" if every single statement wasn't being assaulted.


That's a classic student complaint: "If you quit marking my answers
wrong, my grades wouldn't be so low!"

But your "every single statement" claim is wrong. I very regularly stop
myself from countering your mistakes. I've noticed that others do the
same. Much outrageous nonsense of yours is just ignored.

If you could quit posting nonsense, we would quit pointing out your
nonsense.


--
- Frank Krygowski
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Old December 14th 19, 01:33 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
JBeattie
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On Friday, December 13, 2019 at 8:08:10 AM UTC-8, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Thursday, December 12, 2019 at 2:35:02 PM UTC-8, jbeattie wrote:
On Thursday, December 12, 2019 at 1:20:21 PM UTC-8, sms wrote:
On 12/11/2019 3:15 PM, jbeattie wrote:

snip

Bad news, Tom. Portland is not on the coast. The girls were about 80 miles short of crossing the entire continent. They'll have to start over.

While they didn't cross the entire continent, perhaps they dipped their
wheels into the Columbia River. Close enough. Or perhaps they really did
ride all the way to the Pacific.


Tom says they started in Astoria, which is still not on the coast, but if his wife and kids were on the standard Bikecentennial route, they would have cut over to the coast, gone south and then cut inland south of Tillamook. I came up from SF and rode entirely on the coast up to Florence and then cut inland -- over the spectacular McKenzie Pass and through central Oregon.

You could start the Bikecentennial route from Astoria or scenic Florence, former home of "Lawrence of Florence," a now forgotten roadside camel attraction at the sand dunes. https://traveloregon.com/things-to-d...-oregon-dunes/ I encountered Lawrence on a later ride down the coast with my wife and got the obligatory camel picture. Camels are more fun than the ubiquitous and ornery Roosevelt Elk. https://www.hcn.org/articles/wildlif...ns-north-coast

-- Jay Beattie.


Why would they have to start on the coast when Astoria is mere miles from the coast? The route they took went through Idaho and Montana before heading south. You could also argue that they didn't go all the way to the Atlantic Ocean because they didn't "ride" further than North Bay.


No, AFAIK, the route from Astoria headed south and then across central Oregon. You hit Idaho at the Brownlee Dam/Hells Canyon and then headed north into Montana for a long, gratuitous climb up the Lochsa River to Missoula and the Bikecentennial office to sign The Book. My signature and the signature of my then girlfriend is probably in some dusty storage bin somewhere -- or tossed in the garbage. It was a total waste of time going so far north because you just turned south again and got on a route through the center of the US.

Missoula was wet and cold in June. I remember going to Sam Braxton's bike shop and buying a washer for my Campy NR pedal that was creaking like crazy. I opened up the pedal and found that it was missing a washer and a keyway on the axle, so I filed a keyway with a Swiss Army knife and installed a washer. It quit creaking after that. http://www.classicrendezvous.com/USA/Braxton_Sam.htm It was pretty neat talking with Sam and finding a shop with a Campy small parts box in Montana.


My comment was about not underestimating children and they abilities so of course you have to turn it into something about Bike Centennial which was something that hardly anyone had any interest in.


People who did the transcon trail have a great interest in it. I bought the guide books and did it with my girlfriend in '81. I had been on the trail in '76 as part of a ride to Vancouver, BC, but I didn't do the transcon ride until five years later. This was back when people rode in cut-offs on 5sp low-end junk right off the showroom floor. The studied tourist on a purpose built bike was rare. I was racing and a bike aficionado, so I had a super-groovy, custom built steel touring bike with a Campy triple with a low of 36/28 and NR long reach brakes, which were great. The Rally derailleur sucked as did the bar-end shifters with the porous Suntour SS bare cable housing that let the rain through. It was the stickiest shifting system imaginable. Ah, the good old days when everything was perfect.

-- Jay Beattie.

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Old December 14th 19, 07:55 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Tom Kunich[_5_]
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On Friday, December 13, 2019 at 4:33:33 PM UTC-8, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, December 13, 2019 at 8:08:10 AM UTC-8, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Thursday, December 12, 2019 at 2:35:02 PM UTC-8, jbeattie wrote:
On Thursday, December 12, 2019 at 1:20:21 PM UTC-8, sms wrote:
On 12/11/2019 3:15 PM, jbeattie wrote:

snip

Bad news, Tom. Portland is not on the coast. The girls were about 80 miles short of crossing the entire continent. They'll have to start over.

While they didn't cross the entire continent, perhaps they dipped their
wheels into the Columbia River. Close enough. Or perhaps they really did
ride all the way to the Pacific.

Tom says they started in Astoria, which is still not on the coast, but if his wife and kids were on the standard Bikecentennial route, they would have cut over to the coast, gone south and then cut inland south of Tillamook. I came up from SF and rode entirely on the coast up to Florence and then cut inland -- over the spectacular McKenzie Pass and through central Oregon.

You could start the Bikecentennial route from Astoria or scenic Florence, former home of "Lawrence of Florence," a now forgotten roadside camel attraction at the sand dunes. https://traveloregon.com/things-to-d...-oregon-dunes/ I encountered Lawrence on a later ride down the coast with my wife and got the obligatory camel picture. Camels are more fun than the ubiquitous and ornery Roosevelt Elk. https://www.hcn.org/articles/wildlif...ns-north-coast

-- Jay Beattie.


Why would they have to start on the coast when Astoria is mere miles from the coast? The route they took went through Idaho and Montana before heading south. You could also argue that they didn't go all the way to the Atlantic Ocean because they didn't "ride" further than North Bay.


No, AFAIK, the route from Astoria headed south and then across central Oregon. You hit Idaho at the Brownlee Dam/Hells Canyon and then headed north into Montana for a long, gratuitous climb up the Lochsa River to Missoula and the Bikecentennial office to sign The Book. My signature and the signature of my then girlfriend is probably in some dusty storage bin somewhere -- or tossed in the garbage. It was a total waste of time going so far north because you just turned south again and got on a route through the center of the US.

Missoula was wet and cold in June. I remember going to Sam Braxton's bike shop and buying a washer for my Campy NR pedal that was creaking like crazy. I opened up the pedal and found that it was missing a washer and a keyway on the axle, so I filed a keyway with a Swiss Army knife and installed a washer. It quit creaking after that. http://www.classicrendezvous.com/USA/Braxton_Sam.htm It was pretty neat talking with Sam and finding a shop with a Campy small parts box in Montana.


My comment was about not underestimating children and they abilities so of course you have to turn it into something about Bike Centennial which was something that hardly anyone had any interest in.


People who did the transcon trail have a great interest in it. I bought the guide books and did it with my girlfriend in '81. I had been on the trail in '76 as part of a ride to Vancouver, BC, but I didn't do the transcon ride until five years later. This was back when people rode in cut-offs on 5sp low-end junk right off the showroom floor. The studied tourist on a purpose built bike was rare. I was racing and a bike aficionado, so I had a super-groovy, custom built steel touring bike with a Campy triple with a low of 36/28 and NR long reach brakes, which were great. The Rally derailleur sucked as did the bar-end shifters with the porous Suntour SS bare cable housing that let the rain through. It was the stickiest shifting system imaginable. Ah, the good old days when everything was perfect.

-- Jay Beattie.


I don't know what route they took but they went through Idaho and Montana and the conditions and weather was so good they still rave about it and they're in their 40's.

My wife even says that she wouldn't mind moving to Boise but after having lived 3 years in Moses Lake you couldn't get me up there in a million years. What's more the weather has been getting cooler each year since 1910 or so whether Greta Thunberg knows it or not.
 




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