DfT Shop and Road Safety Literature

This poster issued by the Department for Transport, appears to be
ordering cyclists to 'take the lane' or ride in what is often referred
to as 'The Primary Riding Position' (either that, or it is advising
other road users that this is how cyclists should ride).

The text states: CYCLISTS, RIDE CENTRAL ON NARROW ROADS

http://shop.dft.gov.uk/thinkrsoshop/...0-64dbaf59c2c2

Have the DfT got it all wrong? Or are they now getting it right?

On 25/11/2014 13:41, Simon Weaseltemper wrote:
This poster issued by the Department for Transport, appears to be
ordering cyclists to 'take the lane' or ride in what is often referred
to as 'The Primary Riding Position' (either that, or it is advising
other road users that this is how cyclists should ride).

The text states: CYCLISTS, RIDE CENTRAL ON NARROW ROADS

http://shop.dft.gov.uk/thinkrsoshop/...0-64dbaf59c2c2


Have the DfT got it all wrong? Or are they now getting it right?

There's more

Cyclists, ride a door’s width from parked cars:
http://shop.dft.gov.uk/THINKRSOShop/...a-edd2da6421c8

Drivers, look out (for cyclists) when getting out:
http://shop.dft.gov.uk/THINKRSOShop/...b-ac9ce36bedc1

On 25/11/2014 13:41, Simon Weaseltemper wrote:
This poster issued by the Department for Transport, appears to be
ordering cyclists to 'take the lane' or ride in what is often referred
to as 'The Primary Riding Position' (either that, or it is advising
other road users that this is how cyclists should ride).

The text states: CYCLISTS, RIDE CENTRAL ON NARROW ROADS

http://shop.dft.gov.uk/thinkrsoshop/...0-64dbaf59c2c2


Have the DfT got it all wrong? Or are they now getting it right?

Oh dear, rammings by car weapons (tm doug bollen) will increase.

On 25/11/2014 14:44, Mrcheerful wrote:
On 25/11/2014 13:41, Simon Weaseltemper wrote:
This poster issued by the Department for Transport, appears to be
ordering cyclists to 'take the lane' or ride in what is often referred
to as 'The Primary Riding Position' (either that, or it is advising
other road users that this is how cyclists should ride).

The text states: CYCLISTS, RIDE CENTRAL ON NARROW ROADS

http://shop.dft.gov.uk/thinkrsoshop/...0-64dbaf59c2c2



Have the DfT got it all wrong? Or are they now getting it right?

Oh dear, rammings by car weapons (tm doug bollen) will increase.

Or will they reduce?

'Rammings by car weapons' is not a particularly big problem as far as I
know. Yes it does happen but it is quite rare.

The biggest problem appears to be the side-swipe: where the car driver
starts to overtake and then suddenly realises that there is not enough
space to complete the manoeuvre. 'Ride central' (as the DfT like to call
it) and it will reduce the chances of that happening, but when it does
happen, there is space to move into or slow down into on the left thus
avoiding a collision.

On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 13:41:52 +0000, Simon Weaseltemper
wrote:

This poster issued by the Department for Transport, appears to be
ordering cyclists to 'take the lane' or ride in what is often referred
to as 'The Primary Riding Position' (either that, or it is advising
other road users that this is how cyclists should ride).

The text states: CYCLISTS, RIDE CENTRAL ON NARROW ROADS

http://shop.dft.gov.uk/thinkrsoshop/...0-64dbaf59c2c2

Have the DfT got it all wrong? Or are they now getting it right?


They have got it wrong. I suggest that people email them at:



and ask why they are promoting that poster which, as far as I know, that advice
is not official Government Policy. If it is: where is it clearly stated?

On 25/11/2014 16:11, Judith wrote:
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 13:41:52 +0000, Simon Weaseltemper
wrote:

This poster issued by the Department for Transport, appears to be
ordering cyclists to 'take the lane' or ride in what is often referred
to as 'The Primary Riding Position' (either that, or it is advising
other road users that this is how cyclists should ride).

The text states: CYCLISTS, RIDE CENTRAL ON NARROW ROADS

http://shop.dft.gov.uk/thinkrsoshop/...0-64dbaf59c2c2

Have the DfT got it all wrong? Or are they now getting it right?


They have got it wrong. I suggest that people email them at:



and ask why they are promoting that poster which, as far as I know, that advice
is not official Government Policy. If it is: where is it clearly stated?


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I guess they have been secretly discussing cycle safety with the experts ;-)

On 25/11/2014 16:25, Simon Weaseltemper wrote:

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I guess they have been secretly discussing cycle safety with the experts
;-)

So having had ones argument completely blown to pieces. What would be
the best course of action?

a) To seek to understand the opponents point of view.
b) To continue to argue ones own misguided point of view.
c) Try to muster support from people who are equally ignorant of the
subject concerned.

Fantastic value!

You really have made my day and I will be ****ing myself with laughter
all evening over this. Thank you very much.

There is a term you use for this behavior. Starts with F :-) Nice one!

"Simon Weaseltemper" wrote in message
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On 25/11/2014 16:11, Judith wrote:
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 13:41:52 +0000, Simon Weaseltemper
wrote:

This poster issued by the Department for Transport, appears to be
ordering cyclists to 'take the lane' or ride in what is often referred
to as 'The Primary Riding Position' (either that, or it is advising
other road users that this is how cyclists should ride).

The text states: CYCLISTS, RIDE CENTRAL ON NARROW ROADS

http://shop.dft.gov.uk/thinkrsoshop/...0-64dbaf59c2c2

Have the DfT got it all wrong? Or are they now getting it right?


They have got it wrong. I suggest that people email them at:



and ask why they are promoting that poster which, as far as I know, that
advice
is not official Government Policy. If it is: where is it clearly stated?


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I guess they have been secretly discussing cycle safety with the experts ;-)

Where do they mention not riding up the inside of left turning lorries, or
did they forget that bit?

On 25/11/2014 17:31, Tarcap wrote:


"Simon Weaseltemper" wrote in message
...

On 25/11/2014 16:11, Judith wrote:
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 13:41:52 +0000, Simon Weaseltemper
wrote:

This poster issued by the Department for Transport, appears to be
ordering cyclists to 'take the lane' or ride in what is often referred
to as 'The Primary Riding Position' (either that, or it is advising
other road users that this is how cyclists should ride).

The text states: CYCLISTS, RIDE CENTRAL ON NARROW ROADS

http://shop.dft.gov.uk/thinkrsoshop/...0-64dbaf59c2c2


Have the DfT got it all wrong? Or are they now getting it right?


They have got it wrong. I suggest that people email them at:



and ask why they are promoting that poster which, as far as I know,
that advice
is not official Government Policy. If it is: where is it clearly stated?


x-post removed

I guess they have been secretly discussing cycle safety with the experts
;-)

Where do they mention not riding up the inside of left turning lorries,
or did they forget that bit?

That is the cyclist's right to the road, they are surrounded by a
special smug zone which no person or vehicle may intrude upon.

On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 13:41:52 +0000, Simon Weaseltemper
wrote:

This poster issued by the Department for Transport, appears to be
ordering cyclists to 'take the lane' or ride in what is often referred
to as 'The Primary Riding Position' (either that, or it is advising
other road users that this is how cyclists should ride).

The text states: CYCLISTS, RIDE CENTRAL ON NARROW ROADS

http://shop.dft.gov.uk/thinkrsoshop/...0-64dbaf59c2c2

Have the DfT got it all wrong? Or are they now getting it right?

It does not say "..and stay there even if there is queue of vehicles
stuck behind you"