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On 2 Dec, 18:30, JNugent wrote:
nightjar cpb@ wrote: "Doug" wrote in message ... On 2 Dec, 09:00, "nightjar" cpb@insert my surname here.me.uk wrote: "Doug" wrote in message ... ... Anyway, he was arrested for refusing to giv to give e his name and address which is quite common. Which are you saying is quite common? Failing to give a name and address or being arrested for failing to do so when legally required? Arrested for failing to do so whether legally required or not. I see the goalposts are moving again. On reflection, the whole thread should have been x-posted to alt-usage.english (and maybe uk.legal). Why is it that the motorists who dominate these newsgroups are always trying to dictate to others what should or should not be posted there? -- World Carfree Network http://www.worldcarfree.net/ Help for your car-addicted friends in the U.K. |
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On Tue, 02 Dec 2008, JNugent wrote:
Ian Smith wrote: But you might reasonably argue that Ss. 28/29 don't cover riding during the hours of darkness without (adequate) lights. And in that case, the principal power (for any non-arrestable offence, not just road traffic offences) would be S.25 of the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984: That's not road traffic legislation. The other poster explicitly highlighted that the legislation is nothing to do with road traffic legislation. Except that (like S25 PACE) it applies to road traffic offences just as it does to any others, you mean? Exactly. It is not road traffic legislation. Would you claim that supply of controlled drugs is under road traffic legislation, because some people might do it while driving a car? So, still waiting for your demonstration that your original statement - that police observing a cyclist doing anything wrong can demand their name and address under road traffic legislation. regards, Ian SMith -- |\ /| no .sig |o o| |/ \| |
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In et,
Clive George tweaked the Babbage-Engine to tell us: "Mortimer" wrote in message et... Ah, you can get multi-LED lights that cast as much light on the road as filiament lights now, can you? You can get single-LED lights which cast more light on the road than many filament lights. You can get multi-LED lights which cast even more, though once again 'cost-effective' may be relevant. See, for example, http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/grahamglen0/LightTesting# Testing conducted last week in the SEEKRIT BUNKER. The E6 used to be the gold standard for dynamo-driven halogen front lights, but is handily outpointed by the newer B&M LEDs, the Supernova E3, the Schmidt Edelux, etc. etc. In an ideal world, we'd all have Lupine Bettys, but apparently there's a recession on. -- Dave Larrington http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk (Kickin'! - The Pope). |
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"Just zis Guy, you know?" wrote in message ... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Tim Hall wrote: Mrs. Hall says half flour, half porridge. Mrs. Beeton is silent on the matter. The Glasgow Cookery Book says: 4oz flour 2oz butter 1 1/2oz sugar And serve with custard sauce, and fie upon you if you do not. Are we sure this is not a wormhole into the Shed? If you pass crumble through one type of wormole then you're likely to either be too far away to eat it, or possibly having to eat it before it's been made. If the other type of wormhole then you'd need to pick the soil and worm crap out of it before eating. Either way I suggest either eating in the kitchen, or daintily carrying to some other room in the house. |
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Clive George wrote:
You don't get mixed steady/flashing in decent headlamps. The Exposure range do just that - constant light at a certain level, with flashes every ~0.6 seconds which are quite a bit brighter. Very visible and can switch to constantly on when you get on to quiet/unlit roads. -- I'm at CAMbridge, not SPAMbridge |
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On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 23:13:36 -0000, "Mortimer" wrote:
"Conor" wrote in message ... In article , Mortimer says... Actually a flashing LED light, whether at the front or the back, is *much* easier to see and to distinguish from all other lights, reflections of lights off shiny objects etc. Not when you're driving a lorry and overtaking them. You can't see them at all once they've dropped 20ft back from the front of the cab. Er why should the fact that the light is flashing rather than steady make any difference to the visibility from certain vehicles and at certain distances? Why not suggest to the police that they are wasting their time with flashing blue lights and headlamps -- there is a 39% greater chance of being killed or seriously injured as a cyclist compared to as a pedestrian |
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On 02 Dec 2008 19:32:28 GMT, Ian Smith wrote:
snip Do carry on digging. I think that your real concern is that he is making you look rather silly with his sensible and cohesive argument. (I am not suggesting that that is his objective) However, I think it may be nearly the time when you will have to say "you are a troll and this discussion is terminated - you are now in my killfile" as he is certainly getting the better of you. -- "A helmet doesn't weigh much, doesn't interfere with your enjoyment of your ride, and is not seen as a big deal by most younger riders especially." Guy Chapman |
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In article , Dave Larrington wrote:
Clive George tweaked the Babbage-Engine to tell us: "Mortimer" wrote in message et... Ah, you can get multi-LED lights that cast as much light on the road as filiament lights now, can you? You can get single-LED lights which cast more light on the road than many filament lights. You can get multi-LED lights which cast even more, though once again 'cost-effective' may be relevant. See, for example, http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/grahamglen0/LightTesting# Testing conducted last week in the SEEKRIT BUNKER. The E6 used to be the gold standard for dynamo-driven halogen front lights, but is handily outpointed by the newer B&M LEDs, the Supernova E3, the Schmidt Edelux, etc. etc. In an ideal world, we'd all have Lupine Bettys, but apparently there's a recession on. In an ideal world the Lupine Betty would last forever on unstealable batteries, or achieve the same output from a 3W dynamo, but it will take more than the end of a recession to sort that. (And in an ideal world the Betty would have an option for a dipped beam pattern like a Busch & Muller Big Bang) |
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Doug wrote:
On 2 Dec, 18:30, JNugent wrote: nightjar cpb@ wrote: "Doug" wrote in message ... On 2 Dec, 09:00, "nightjar" cpb@insert my surname here.me.uk wrote: "Doug" wrote in message ... ... Anyway, he was arrested for refusing to giv to give e his name and address which is quite common. Which are you saying is quite common? Failing to give a name and address or being arrested for failing to do so when legally required? Arrested for failing to do so whether legally required or not. I see the goalposts are moving again. On reflection, the whole thread should have been x-posted to alt-usage.english (and maybe uk.legal). Why is it that the motorists who dominate these newsgroups are always trying to dictate to others what should or should not be posted there? I think it's you who is doing that, Doug - read on. I brought in the first post in this thread to uk.transport by transplanting it from uk.rec.cycling, on the basis that I wanted to make a single point about a single poster who is - or was - well-known here (ukt). But I did not cross-post it. I trimmed ukrc out of the newsgroup line and have not amended that since, though I note that someone (I wonder who?) has added ukrc back to the NG line (I don't know why). The reference to uk.legal and alt.usage.english was not made seriously and I am not surprised that it flew past you several feet above your head. |
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Ian Smith wrote:
JNugent wrote: Ian Smith wrote: But you might reasonably argue that Ss. 28/29 don't cover riding during the hours of darkness without (adequate) lights. And in that case, the principal power (for any non-arrestable offence, not just road traffic offences) would be S.25 of the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984: That's not road traffic legislation. That is correct. But it provides for ways of dealing with road traffic offences committed under Road Traffic and similar Acts, of particular relevance where names and addresses cannot be traced via vehicle registration (so very useful for cycling offences where the offencder decides not to co-operate). On that narrow point of interpreation, you are the outright and undisputed eventual winner. Congratulations! PS: The cyclist still "got done" and from the description of the incident, deserved it handsomely. |
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