oligarchy and George Carlin

sms wrote:
On 4/28/2021 10:42 AM, AMuzi wrote:

snip

One might say the Left talking points are dismissive of any fiscal
restraint. One might say that the Repugnicans speak earnestly (with
fingers crossed) about spending limits.

The Republican playbook since Reagan:

1. Run up the debt with tax cuts.
2. Spend extravagantly, especially on unneeded military spending.
3. Blame socialism for the debt.
4. Wait for a Democratic president.
5. Blame them for the debt.
6. Block Democratic attempts to solve the problem.
7. Call them failures.
8. Use it to win the next election.
9. Go to 1.

So until 2020, swing voters and Democrats were clearly too dumb to hold
their noses and keep voting Republicans into office until the Republican
spiel would be exposed and fall apart, once and for all.

And the rest of the story?

In 2020, swing voters had eventually gotten the message, but Silicon Money,
and the CCP, had successfully tought the DNC enough about managing the count
for the actual votes to not matter anymore.

On 4/28/2021 1:45 PM, Sepp Ruf wrote:
sms wrote:
On 4/28/2021 10:42 AM, AMuzi wrote:

snip

One might say the Left talking points are dismissive of any fiscal
restraint. One might say that the Repugnicans speak earnestly (with
fingers crossed) about spending limits.

The Republican playbook since Reagan:

1. Run up the debt with tax cuts.
2. Spend extravagantly, especially on unneeded military spending.
3. Blame socialism for the debt.
4. Wait for a Democratic president.
5. Blame them for the debt.
6. Block Democratic attempts to solve the problem.
7. Call them failures.
8. Use it to win the next election.
9. Go to 1.

So until 2020, swing voters and Democrats were clearly too dumb to hold
their noses and keep voting Republicans into office until the Republican
spiel would be exposed and fall apart, once and for all.

The problem is two-fold. First, it's a always a fun great party when
Republicans are spending like there's no tomorrow. Second, voters have
short memories.

George H.W. Bush was a Republican that actually raised taxes in an
attempt to pay for the free-spending party years while Reagan was
president. It cost him his re-election.

With Clinton we got four surplus budgets in a row, something that hadn't
happened under Republicans going as far back as I can remember. Clinton
explained the secret back in 2012:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AX3a-2yrQwY&t=68s

Now we're in a once in a century situation with the pandemic,
unemployment, and evictions. This is the time when deficit spending is
not unreasonable. Dead people don't pay taxes, something Trump didn't
understand.

On 4/28/2021 3:45 PM, Sepp Ruf wrote:
sms wrote:
On 4/28/2021 10:42 AM, AMuzi wrote:

snip

One might say the Left talking points are dismissive of any fiscal
restraint. One might say that the Repugnicans speak earnestly (with
fingers crossed) about spending limits.

The Republican playbook since Reagan:

1. Run up the debt with tax cuts.
2. Spend extravagantly, especially on unneeded military spending.
3. Blame socialism for the debt.
4. Wait for a Democratic president.
5. Blame them for the debt.
6. Block Democratic attempts to solve the problem.
7. Call them failures.
8. Use it to win the next election.
9. Go to 1.

So until 2020, swing voters and Democrats were clearly too dumb to hold
their noses and keep voting Republicans into office until the Republican
spiel would be exposed and fall apart, once and for all.

And the rest of the story?

In 2020, swing voters had eventually gotten the message, but Silicon Money,
and the CCP, had successfully tought the DNC enough about managing the count
for the actual votes to not matter anymore.


+1

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Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 4/28/2021 3:33 PM, AMuzi wrote:

snip

And the rest of the story?

In 2020, swing voters had eventually gotten the message, but Silicon
Money,
and the CCP, had successfully tought the DNC enough about managing the
count
for the actual votes to not matter anymore.


+1

LOL, you can "+1" all you want, but that doesn't change the facts. The
reality is that it was the fact that in 2020 swing voters favored Biden
by 13 percentage points. The swing voters were key to Biden's victory,
especially in states like Georgia. And of course there is zero
credibility to the idea that the vote count was manipulated, despite
what the crazy pillow guy claims.

On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 4:39:50 PM UTC-7, sms wrote:
On 4/28/2021 3:33 PM, AMuzi wrote:

snip
And the rest of the story?

In 2020, swing voters had eventually gotten the message, but Silicon
Money,
and the CCP, had successfully tought the DNC enough about managing the
count
for the actual votes to not matter anymore.


+1

LOL, you can "+1" all you want, but that doesn't change the facts. The
reality is that it was the fact that in 2020 swing voters favored Biden
by 13 percentage points. The swing voters were key to Biden's victory,
especially in states like Georgia. And of course there is zero
credibility to the idea that the vote count was manipulated, despite
what the crazy pillow guy claims.

Ignore the Kraken!: https://lawandcrime.com/2020-electio...on-believable/

Liberal or conservative, you cannot look at the Kraken episode and call it anything other than a clown show. If Al Gore had trotted out a bunch of lunatics with wide-ranging, multi-state conspiracy theories to overturn GWB's electoral victory, his popular support would have gone through the floor. He would be a political leper and not emperor Donald in exile.

-- Jay Beattie.

On 4/29/2021 5:47 AM, AMuzi wrote:

snip

Nothing objectionable there, all pretty obvious material; a well trod area.

Well one thing he gets dead wrong is the difference in economic growth
based on which party is in power.

From 1945 through 2020Q2, GDP grew 4.1% on average under Democrats,
versus 2.5% under Republicans, a difference of 1.6 percentage points.

Going back to Eisenhower, the stock market has risen an average of 11%
per year under Democratic presidents versus 6.5% for Republicans.

The unemployment rate has fallen on average under Democratic presidents,
while it has risen on average under Republican presidents.

Budget deficits relative to the size of the economy were lower, on
average, for Democratic presidents.

Ten of the 11 U.S. recessions between 1953 and 2020 began under
Republican presidents.

It's clear that under Democratic administrations GDP growth is greater,
equity markets fare better, unemployment is lower, budget deficits are
lower, and recessions are less likely. The reasons are pretty obvious.
Democratic presidents are much less protectionist, they are more focused
on economic expansion, they are less likely to engage in wasteful
spending, and they are less likely to get us involved in wars.

People vote for Republicans for all sorts of reasons, but economic
health and performance are not included in those reasons.

A healthy percentage of right-wingers are fixated on two issues:
abortion and guns.

Ironically, abortion rates fall under Democratic presidents because
Democrats are more likely to support sex education, contraception, and
federally subsidized programs like child care. Republicans like to
promote abstinence, a nice theory but not practical. Since Democrats are
less likely to support bans on abortion many voters opposed to abortion
foolishly choose Republicans which actually results in more abortions
not fewer.

In terms of guns, Democrats are much more likely to advocate for gun
registration, waiting periods, bans on assault weapons, safety
interlocks, and bans on certain kinds of ammunition. This may be one
reason why there are more mass shootings under Republican presidents
versus Democratic presidents, however to be fair, one of the reasons for
the increase in mass shooting under Trump was his rhetoric
(anti-immigrant, anti-Muslim, anti-Black, etc.), it was not just the
availability of the guns used.

On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 1:13:34 PM UTC-7, sms wrote:
On 4/28/2021 10:42 AM, AMuzi wrote:

snip
One might say the Left talking points are dismissive of any fiscal
restraint. One might say that the Repugnicans speak earnestly (with
fingers crossed) about spending limits.
The Republican playbook since Reagan:

1. Run up the debt with tax cuts.
2. Spend extravagantly, especially on unneeded military spending.
3. Blame socialism for the debt.
4. Wait for a Democratic president.
5. Blame them for the debt.
6. Block Democratic attempts to solve the problem.
7. Call them failures.
8. Use it to win the next election.
9. Go to 1.
You are about the stupidest person possible. You are even incapable of understanding even the basis if economics. In EVERY tax cut it was far more offset by taxable revenue. Even Bill Clinton did it and we had the most taxable income in modern history.

On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 4:39:50 PM UTC-7, sms wrote:
On 4/28/2021 3:33 PM, AMuzi wrote:

snip
And the rest of the story?

In 2020, swing voters had eventually gotten the message, but Silicon
Money,
and the CCP, had successfully tought the DNC enough about managing the
count
for the actual votes to not matter anymore.


+1
LOL, you can "+1" all you want, but that doesn't change the facts. The
reality is that it was the fact that in 2020 swing voters favored Biden
by 13 percentage points. The swing voters were key to Biden's victory,
especially in states like Georgia. And of course there is zero
credibility to the idea that the vote count was manipulated, despite
what the crazy pillow guy claims.
If the swing voters affected anything at all why is the Democrat Party putting 100 layers to work to attempt to STOP a vote AUDIT on their election? If there was swing voters then why would they be so afraid of an audit?

On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 7:15:04 AM UTC-7, sms wrote:
On 4/29/2021 5:47 AM, AMuzi wrote:

snip
Nothing objectionable there, all pretty obvious material; a well trod area.
Well one thing he gets dead wrong is the difference in economic growth
based on which party is in power.

From 1945 through 2020Q2, GDP grew 4.1% on average under Democrats,
versus 2.5% under Republicans, a difference of 1.6 percentage points.

Going back to Eisenhower, the stock market has risen an average of 11%
per year under Democratic presidents versus 6.5% for Republicans.

The unemployment rate has fallen on average under Democratic presidents,
while it has risen on average under Republican presidents.

Budget deficits relative to the size of the economy were lower, on
average, for Democratic presidents.

Ten of the 11 U.S. recessions between 1953 and 2020 began under
Republican presidents.

It's clear that under Democratic administrations GDP growth is greater,
equity markets fare better, unemployment is lower, budget deficits are
lower, and recessions are less likely. The reasons are pretty obvious.
Democratic presidents are much less protectionist, they are more focused
on economic expansion, they are less likely to engage in wasteful
spending, and they are less likely to get us involved in wars.

People vote for Republicans for all sorts of reasons, but economic
health and performance are not included in those reasons.

A healthy percentage of right-wingers are fixated on two issues:
abortion and guns.

Ironically, abortion rates fall under Democratic presidents because
Democrats are more likely to support sex education, contraception, and
federally subsidized programs like child care. Republicans like to
promote abstinence, a nice theory but not practical. Since Democrats are
less likely to support bans on abortion many voters opposed to abortion
foolishly choose Republicans which actually results in more abortions
not fewer.

In terms of guns, Democrats are much more likely to advocate for gun
registration, waiting periods, bans on assault weapons, safety
interlocks, and bans on certain kinds of ammunition. This may be one
reason why there are more mass shootings under Republican presidents
versus Democratic presidents, however to be fair, one of the reasons for
the increase in mass shooting under Trump was his rhetoric
(anti-immigrant, anti-Muslim, anti-Black, etc.), it was not just the
availability of the guns used.
We don't care who you want to vote for. Watch the next election and then remember that everyone has guns and that you like to mark yourself as a target.

On 4/29/2021 10:35 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
In EVERY tax cut it was far more offset by taxable revenue.

And the source of your data is... ?


--
- Frank Krygowski