Italian/steel frames need more prep?

On Sun, 02 Apr 2006 15:56:37 -0700, "G.T."
wrote:
David L. Johnson wrote:
On Sun, 02 Apr 2006 11:35:01 -0700, G.T. wrote:

Bwahahahahahahahaha, good one. That must be why capitalists protect the
environment so well and pay such good wages to their employees. They're
just full of ethics.

You are confusing capitalists and assholes. By the way, I feel compelled
to point out that few workers in Socialist countries got or get good wages
by any standard, nor did they protect the environment. The difference is
that capitalists will do those things if forced by circumstances.

What circumstances? Government regulation?

Pretty much, yeah. "Polluter pays" taxes, etc. A for-profit company is, in
most cases, required by its bylaws to act as a sociopath. It must do
anything, and I mean *anything*, to maximise profits (aka shareholder
value). Ethics are foreign to it, except in so much as knowing that
someone or some other company acts ethically provides a way to screw them
over but good.

Jasper

I understand there's a guy named Tony, who fixes them again & again, who's
very much appreciative they exist.

(OK... FIAT- Fix It Again Tony)

Yeah, I got that without the expanded acronym :-).

I understand that even Tony doesn't even drive one though. He drives
an old Alpha - which in contrast to the Fiat is a nice car on he days
that it actually runs.

Bob: No offense meant; I assumed you probably knew the acronym, but figured
many here might not. :)

FIAT- Fix it again Tony
FORD- Fix or repair daily

Don't know the rest of 'em. Anybody have some to add?

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
FIAT- Fix it again Tony
FORD- Fix or repair daily

Don't know the rest of 'em. Anybody have some to add?

Lot's Of Trouble - Usually Serious

--
R.

Richard Brockie "Categorical statements
The tall blond one. always cause trouble."

I love captalism. Where elese would 99% of business people favor the
"Barely Meet Expectations" business model over the "Do What's Right"
business model.

RonSonic wrote:
What's the system that promotes the "do what's right" model?

G.T. wrote:
Basic ethical living?

RonSonic wrote:
That's perfectly compatible with capitalism.

G.T. wrote:
Bwahahahahahahahaha, good one. That must be why capitalists protect the
environment so well and pay such good wages to their employees. They're
just full of ethics.


Wages are paid at a rate such that every job gets filled. It
would be a perfect balance, except for outside intrusions by
parties who are not employer/employee.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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,
"Mike Jacoubowsky" wrote:

I understand there's a guy named Tony, who fixes them again & again, who's
very much appreciative they exist.

(OK... FIAT- Fix It Again Tony)

Yeah, I got that without the expanded acronym :-).

I understand that even Tony doesn't even drive one though. He drives
an old Alpha - which in contrast to the Fiat is a nice car on he days
that it actually runs.

Bob: No offense meant; I assumed you probably knew the acronym, but figured
many here might not. :)

FIAT- Fix it again Tony
FORD- Fix or repair daily

Don't know the rest of 'em. Anybody have some to add?

NASCAR is funny. Little is stock. Only the engine and body
must be from the automobile manufacture sponsoring the
race car. Currently everybody uses Ford drive trains.

It is my impression that in Europe, Fiat automobiles are
widely driven and reliable.

--
Michael Press

A Muzi wrote:
I love captalism. Where elese would 99% of business people favor the
"Barely Meet Expectations" business model over the "Do What's Right"
business model.


RonSonic wrote:

What's the system that promotes the "do what's right" model?


G.T. wrote:

Basic ethical living?


RonSonic wrote:

That's perfectly compatible with capitalism.


G.T. wrote:

Bwahahahahahahahaha, good one. That must be why capitalists protect
the environment so well and pay such good wages to their employees.
They're just full of ethics.



Wages are paid at a rate such that every job gets filled. It would be a
perfect balance, except for outside intrusions by parties who are not
employer/employee.

So collusion by employers to keep wages down is an outside intrusion?

Greg

--
"All my time I spent in heaven
Revelries of dance and wine
Waking to the sound of laughter
Up I'd rise and kiss the sky" - The Mekons

I love captalism. Where elese would 99% of
business people favor
the
"Barely Meet Expectations" business model over the "Do What's Right"
business model.

RonSonic wrote:
What's the system that promotes the "do what's right" model?

G.T. wrote:
Basic ethical living?

RonSonic wrote:
That's perfectly compatible with capitalism.

G.T. wrote:
Bwahahahahahahahaha, good one. That must be why capitalists protect
the environment so well and pay such good wages to their employees.
They're just full of ethics.

A Muzi wrote:
Wages are paid at a rate such that every job gets filled. It would be
a perfect balance, except for outside intrusions by parties who are
not employer/employee.

G.T. wrote:
So collusion by employers to keep wages down is an outside intrusion?

What's your expression? bwaha?
Here, we have the most mobile labor ever in history - no way
'collusion' could be effective - else every buggy whip maker
would be rollin' in dough by now, what with their 3c per
week labor costs!! collusion! bwahaa!!

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

A Muzi wrote:


Wages are paid at a rate such that every job gets filled. It
would be a perfect balance, except for outside intrusions by
parties who are not employe r/employee.

Surely you must be joking. Did the number of people wanting to be
President suddenly double when the salary was raised from $200K to
$400K? Did it increase by even 1? Suppose there were no salary, or for
that matter if there were a charge. Would there be no President?

Economists talk a lot about "equilibrium" and "clearing", but they do
not understand the concepts.

On Sun, 02 Apr 2006 11:35:01 -0700, "G.T." wrote:

RonSonic wrote:
On Fri, 31 Mar 2006 17:08:18 -0800, "G.T." wrote:

I love captalism. Where elese would 99% of business people favor the
"Barely Meet Expectations" business model over the "Do What's Right"
business model.

What's the system that promotes the "do what's right" model?


Basic ethical living?


That's perfectly compatible with capitalism.

Bwahahahahahahahaha, good one. That must be why capitalists protect the
environment so well and pay such good wages to their employees. They're
just full of ethics.

Regardless of what your incense-scented school teacher may have told you,
"capitalist" is not a synonym for "greedy prick I don't like."

Capitalists pay far better wages than the other sorts of employers, like slavers
and commies.

Ron

On Mon, 03 Apr 2006 05:52:22 GMT, Michael Press wrote:
In article
,

Bob: No offense meant; I assumed you probably knew the acronym, but figured
many here might not. :)

FIAT- Fix it again Tony
FORD- Fix or repair daily

Don't know the rest of 'em. Anybody have some to add?

NASCAR is funny. Little is stock. Only the engine and body
must be from the automobile manufacture sponsoring the
race car. Currently everybody uses Ford drive trains.

It is my impression that in Europe, Fiat automobiles are
widely driven and reliable.

Well, reliable may be going a bit far, but no more unreliable than most
car manufacturers, for certain. More reliable than US manufacturers,
ferdamsure. Most Fiats you see in the US are probably the quirky small
2-seater convertibles, etc.? Their bread-and-butter cars are reasonably
reliable, spacious, fuel-efficient, etc.. but they're pretty boring. Not
much reason to import them over an ocean.

Incidentally, Fiat makes Alfa, Lancia and Lambo these days, as well. Those
are, pretty much, also in the category "unreliable but not boring".

Jasper