Italian/steel frames need more prep?

In article , Jasper Janssen
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On Mon, 03 Apr 2006 05:52:22 GMT, Michael Press wrote:
In article
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Bob: No offense meant; I assumed you probably knew the acronym, but figured
many here might not. :)

FIAT- Fix it again Tony
FORD- Fix or repair daily

Don't know the rest of 'em. Anybody have some to add?

NASCAR is funny. Little is stock. Only the engine and body
must be from the automobile manufacture sponsoring the
race car. Currently everybody uses Ford drive trains.

It is my impression that in Europe, Fiat automobiles are
widely driven and reliable.

Well, reliable may be going a bit far, but no more unreliable than most
car manufacturers, for certain. More reliable than US manufacturers,
ferdamsure. Most Fiats you see in the US are probably the quirky small
2-seater convertibles, etc.? Their bread-and-butter cars are reasonably
reliable, spacious, fuel-efficient, etc.. but they're pretty boring. Not
much reason to import them over an ocean.

Incidentally, Fiat makes Alfa, Lancia and Lambo these days, as well. Those
are, pretty much, also in the category "unreliable but not boring".

Up to a point, Lord Copper. Fiat own Ferrari and Maserati, but
Lamborghini was Borged by the VW Group and comes under Audi's umbrella.

--
Dave Larrington - http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/
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In article ,
says...

The incentive is to go cheap, not high quality.

There are quite a few folks like that. There are also quite a few folks
who want the most value for their money. If you pay more, you want to get
more than sales talk of why it is better.

If customers demanded (and were willing to support them with their wallets)
better products, we'd see them.

Most of the imte the higher priced item does not merit the price difference.

But we just had a thread about taking bikes
on airlines where people are griping about how they're charging for bikes
now... after they've spent untold hours trying to find the absolute
cheapest-possible ticket.

If the airlines are not charge for other oversized items, like golf clubs,
they should not be charging for bikes either.

Everyone gripes about airline service (or lack
thereof) but few are willing to pay to get it.

You make it sound like people are asking for luxuries. Expecting reservations
to be honored and expecting your lugage to arrive with you intact are not
luxuries.

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Alex

In article , Mike
Jacoubowsky ) wrote:
I understand there's a guy named Tony, who fixes them again & again, who's
very much appreciative they exist.

(OK... FIAT- Fix It Again Tony)

Yeah, I got that without the expanded acronym :-).

I understand that even Tony doesn't even drive one though. He drives
an old Alpha - which in contrast to the Fiat is a nice car on he days
that it actually runs.

Bob: No offense meant; I assumed you probably knew the acronym, but figured
many here might not. :)

FIAT- Fix it again Tony
FORD- Fix or repair daily

Don't know the rest of 'em. Anybody have some to add?

Gotta Mechanic Coming...

--
Dave Larrington - http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/
While you were out at the Rollright Stones, I came and set fire to your
Shed.

RonSonic wrote:

Capitalists pay far better wages than the other sorts of employers, like slavers
and commies.

I think you meant "Commies". The commies, aka the socialists, tend to
pay better wages- to workers, that is- than the capitalists. The
standard of living for the ordinary working man is way higher in
Sweden, France, and similar socialist countries than it is in the US.
On the other hand, it is true that nobody pays their CEOs like the USA.
An American CEO can get 1,000-10,000x the salary of one of his workers,
or even more. Typical in e.g. Japan, even for the largest (Japanese)
companies: 25x. But then, American CEOs do do more for that money: they
so often drive their companies to ruin, while Japanese CEOs typically
merely hand a functioning enterprise on to the next guy.

The earely Christian communities were commie, by the way. The church
still is to this day. And there are possibilities other than the ones
you listed.d

RonSonic wrote:
On 3 Apr 2006 07:04:00 -0700, "41" wrote:


A Muzi wrote:


Wages are paid at a rate such that every job gets filled. It
would be a perfect balance, except for outside intrusions by
parties who are not employe r/employee.

Surely you must be joking. Did the number of people wanting to be
President suddenly double when the salary was raised from $200K to
$400K? Did it increase by even 1? Suppose there were no salary, or fo r
that matter if there were a charge. Would there be no President?

Special case, obviously.

The job itself is singular but many of the factors relevant to the
issue at hand are not. You should think a little more about what is
involved and how there could be any exceptions to this so-called law of
economics anyway, no matter what the so-called special case. There are
no exceptions to real laws.

You and Muzi might also consider thinking about the following: what
factual circumstance might occur that would disprove the claim, so that
you would say: "Oh, I see, man was I dumb to believe that." If a claim
cannot be disproved, it has no factual content and says nothing about
the world.

On Mon, 3 Apr 2006 17:15:25 +0100, Dave Larrington
wrote:
In article , Jasper Janssen
) wrote:

Incidentally, Fiat makes Alfa, Lancia and Lambo these days, as well. Those
are, pretty much, also in the category "unreliable but not boring".

Up to a point, Lord Copper. Fiat own Ferrari and Maserati, but
Lamborghini was Borged by the VW Group and comes under Audi's umbrella.

****. I always get Lamborghini and Maserati confused. My apologies.

Jasper

On Mon, 03 Apr 2006 15:53:42 -0400, Alex Rodriguez
wrote:

If the airlines are not charge for other oversized items, like golf clubs,
they should not be charging for bikes either.

Golf clubs aren't oversized. Certianly not in the way bikes are. Also, not
nearly as fragile.


Jasper

"41" wrote:

I think you meant "Commies". The commies, aka the socialists, tend to
pay better wages- to workers, that is- than the capitalists.

Yeah, just look at the textbook case - North Korea and South Korea.
The wealth in the north is so splendid compared to the poverty and
starving in the south... NOT.

Mark Hickey
Habanero Cycles
http://www.habcycles.com
Home of the $795 ti frame

Jasper Janssen writes:
On Mon, 03 Apr 2006 15:53:42 -0400, Alex Rodriguez
wrote:

If the airlines are not charge for other oversized items, like golf clubs,
they should not be charging for bikes either.

Golf clubs aren't oversized. Certianly not in the way bikes are. Also, not
nearly as fragile.

A single club may not be, but a full bag certainly exceeds the maximum
dimensions for ordinary luggage and eats up most of a 20 kg weight quota.

Mark Hickey wrote:
"41" wrote:

I think you meant "Commies". The commies, aka the socialists, tend to
pay better wages- to workers, that is- than the capitalists.

Yeah, just look at the textbook case - North Korea and South Korea.
The wealth in the north is so splendid compared to the poverty and
starving in the south... NOT.

Instead of just looking at the textbook, how about actually READING the
textbook? Or how about reading ANY textbook? Perhaps one on South
Korean economic history? South Korea IS the socialist country of the
pair:

http://www2.sjsu.edu/faculty/watkins/chaebol.htm

Try to make it at least a third of the way down the page, say from
Samsung to Hyundai to Daewoo. I think you might get it by then.

As for North Korea, their system is (or was) called "Juche", and it is
not socialism, at least as socialism has been understood for centuries.
Even Kim-Il Song described it as an adaptation or application of "the
truths of Marxism-Leninism" to par ticular circumstances. In practice
it has been something else entirely:
http://www.brookings.edu/views/testimony/oh20030605.htm
Try to make it all the way down to near the end, for while the author
starts off describing the socialist economy of NK, by the end she
concludes, North Korea does not have a socialist economic system.
In any case, you will need to read more than this if you want to have
an understanding of the (former) North Korean system. I say former
because they are in the midst of conversion to the Chinese model now
anyway:
http://japanfocus.org/article.asp?id=468
Hmm, when can we be expecting you to be sourcing titanium frames from
them?

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