Peace Themed Jerseys?

Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 14:15:33 -0500, Stephen Harding
wrote:

Yeah, yeah, you wore me down, the US has never supplied arms or
expertise to any rogue nation, has never attempted to destabilise any

[... snip litany of evil US transgressions against humanity]

Of course it has. As has your own country, in spades.

Just get the facts straight as to when, where, how and context.


SMH

On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 09:26:00 -0500, Stephen Harding
wrote:

[... snip litany of evil US transgressions against humanity]
Of course it has. As has your own country, in spades.

Did I ever attempt to deny it? We invented concentration camps, for
example. And we invaded another country recently without the benefit
of declaration of war, without UN support, against the advice of the
weapons inspection teams on the ground, and in clear contravention of
international law. That's a ****ty trick and I hope it doesn't catch
on with people who want some natural resource we have some time.

Luckily at least in the UK one is not denounced as a traitor for
failing to be enthusiastic about the whole sorry mess.

Guy
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"Just zis Guy, you know?"

wrote in part:

Luckily at least in the UK one is not denounced as a traitor for
failing to be enthusiastic about the whole sorry mess.


That's nonsense and you know it, Guy. No one here in the US has been "denounced
as a traitor" for simply disagreeing on the necessity for or wisdom of our
incursion into Iraq, at least not by anyone that is at all representative of
the overwhelming majority of US citizens.
As a matter of fact, the *only* use of the word "traitor" I've heard in this
context has been by those that oppose the war in Iraq. I've heard it used in
two ways by them. The first has been in attempts to stake out the high moral
ground, "Anyone that supports the war is a traitor to true American ideals".
The second use has been by way of staking out a claim to persecuted status,
"Some will call me a traitor for this but...." when in fact, no one *has*. That
second use is not too different from me saying, "Some will call me godlike for
this but...". *Could* someone say that? I guess it's possible but it's highly
unlikely. Not unless they knew me personally anyway. g

Regards,
Bob Hunt

Kevan Smith wrote:

On 19 Jan 2004 07:36:51 GMT, (Hunrobe) from AOL
http://www.aol.com wrote:

That's nonsense and you know it, Guy. No one here in the US has been "denounced
as a traitor" for simply disagreeing on the necessity for or wisdom of our
incursion into Iraq ...

I have.

Well certainly *you* have!

Everyone knows you work for Chinese intelligence Kev.

SecretCam
suspect Super secret agent Kev /suspect
location Back room of Chinatown medicine shop /location
time 2:14 am /time
appearance Considerably faked Chinese appearance similar
to 30's Charlie Chan movie character /appearance
action Exchange of huge amounts of cash from known Chinese
spy master to suspect /action
transcript Suspect: "Bwah ha ha ha! The Flying Pigeon shall
soon dominate the world! Bwah ha ha!" /transcript
/SecretCam

I'm not currently at liberty to divulge my sources for this
information.


SMH

Hunrobe wrote:

No one here in the US has been "denounced
as a traitor" for simply disagreeing on the necessity for or wisdom of our
incursion into Iraq, at least not by anyone that is at all representative of
the overwhelming majority of US citizens.

You need to get out mo

"If you do not support our President's decisions you are a traitor."
http://www.probush.com/traitor.htm

"I am prepared * just this once * to name a traitor: Pinch
Sulzberger, publisher of the New York Times."
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/a...20030918.shtml

Let's not even get started on Talk Radio.
--
terry morse Palo Alto, CA http://www.terrymorse.com/bike/

On 19 Jan 2004 07:36:51 GMT, (Hunrobe) wrote:

That's nonsense and you know it, Guy. No one here in the US has been "denounced
as a traitor" for simply disagreeing on the necessity for or wisdom of our
incursion into Iraq, at least not by anyone that is at all representative of
the overwhelming majority of US citizens.

Ah, so if we exclude Dolan from the equation, maybe you're right ;-)

Guy
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Terry Morse

wrote:

Hunrobe wrote:

No one here in the US has been "denounced
as a traitor" for simply disagreeing on the necessity for or wisdom of our
incursion into Iraq, at least not by anyone that is at all representative
of
the overwhelming majority of US citizens.

You need to get out mo

"If you do not support our President's decisions you are a traitor."
http://www.probush.com/traitor.htm

"I am prepared * just this once * to name a traitor: Pinch
Sulzberger, publisher of the New York Times."
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/a...20030918.shtml

Let's not even get started on Talk Radio.
--

A website page entitled "Traitors List", an ultraconservative columnist bashing
a NY Times editor, and the assorted loonies on both the left and right that
populate talk radio-- do you truly believe that these speak for the
overwhelming majority of the country? If so, I'd suggest maybe you should take
some of your own advice and get out a little more. If this really is a majority
opinion then where are all the arrests and jailings of dissidents, the burnings
in effigy, the public lynchings? There aren't any because while the
overwhelming majority of US citizens may not *like* the dissent and by
extension the dissenters they don't condemn them as traitors. Which of course
was exactly my point.

Regards,
Bob Hunt

"Hunrobe" wrote in message
...
"Just zis Guy, you know?"
wrote in part:
Luckily at least in the UK one is not denounced as a traitor for
failing to be enthusiastic about the whole sorry mess.

That's nonsense and you know it, Guy. No one here in the US has been
"denounced
as a traitor" for simply disagreeing on the necessity for or wisdom of our
incursion into Iraq, at least not by anyone that is at all representative
of
the overwhelming majority of US citizens.

And this is a significant point. Who is it that demands that EVERYONE
without exception likes what they hear from leftist morons or the entire
country is somehow guilty of not having the same respect for the Consitution
as the lefties pretend to do (while redefining marriage to suit their own
version of 'English').

As a matter of fact, the *only* use of the word "traitor" I've heard in
this
context has been by those that oppose the war in Iraq. I've heard it used
in
two ways by them. The first has been in attempts to stake out the high
moral
ground, "Anyone that supports the war is a traitor to true American
ideals".
The second use has been by way of staking out a claim to persecuted
status,
"Some will call me a traitor for this but...." when in fact, no one *has*.
That
second use is not too different from me saying, "Some will call me godlike
for
this but...". *Could* someone say that? I guess it's possible but it's
highly
unlikely. Not unless they knew me personally anyway. g

Talk IS cheap.

"Kevan Smith" wrote in message
...
On 19 Jan 2004 07:36:51 GMT, (Hunrobe) from AOL
http://www.aol.com wrote:

That's nonsense and you know it, Guy. No one here in the US has been
"denounced
as a traitor" for simply disagreeing on the necessity for or wisdom of
our
incursion into Iraq ...

I have.

Probably because you are....

Hunrobe wrote:

A website page entitled "Traitors List", an ultraconservative columnist
bashing a NY Times editor, and the assorted loonies on both the left
and right that populate talk radio-- do you truly believe that these
speak for the overwhelming majority of the country?

Any way, the "speak for the overwhelming majority" qualifier is just
weasel words, easy to hide behind and almost impossible to refute.

The radio waves are filled with traitor accusations, Fox "News" is
the number one cable news station. More than a handful of loonies
are tuning in those programs, making the media execs very happy, and
chilling the public dialog.
--
terry morse Palo Alto, CA http://www.terrymorse.com/bike/