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On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 9:15:38 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 10/28/2020 10:02 PM, AMuzi wrote: On 10/28/2020 8:38 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 10/28/2020 7:53 PM, Joy Beeson wrote: On Wed, 28 Oct 2020 13:31:47 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote: Sometimes bike shops are burglarized. So we should make it legal to burglarize bike shops. If everyone affected by the burglary gives informed consent, why not? Then it's not a burglary. It's a donation. or 'reparations' as is currently claimed. Just ignore the flames in these 'peaceful protest' images: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=october+20... es&ia=images Here's the problem, at least some of the time: What do you call a protest if 500 people are walking around quietly with signs, some with toddlers on their shoulders, doing absolutely nothing illegal? Then what do you call the same protest if five punks suddenly drive up with a Molotov cocktail and throw it at some concrete? What do you call it if those punks then drive off and collect $100 from a Proud Boys chapter? I'm absolutely against rioting. I think it's absolutely counterproductive. But I think not all is what it seems. Why would you say that? We have proof that most of the violent protests are planned well ahead of time down to exact timing and how to accelerate violence by normally peaceful protestors by Antifa which because of this has been named a Domestic Terrorist Organization. You simply cannot control you bigotry. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...cid=uxbndlbing |
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On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 12:29:08 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 9:15:38 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 10/28/2020 10:02 PM, AMuzi wrote: On 10/28/2020 8:38 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 10/28/2020 7:53 PM, Joy Beeson wrote: On Wed, 28 Oct 2020 13:31:47 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote: Sometimes bike shops are burglarized. So we should make it legal to burglarize bike shops. If everyone affected by the burglary gives informed consent, why not? Then it's not a burglary. It's a donation. or 'reparations' as is currently claimed. Just ignore the flames in these 'peaceful protest' images: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=october+20... es&ia=images Here's the problem, at least some of the time: What do you call a protest if 500 people are walking around quietly with signs, some with toddlers on their shoulders, doing absolutely nothing illegal? Then what do you call the same protest if five punks suddenly drive up with a Molotov cocktail and throw it at some concrete? What do you call it if those punks then drive off and collect $100 from a Proud Boys chapter? I'm absolutely against rioting. I think it's absolutely counterproductive. But I think not all is what it seems. Why would you say that? We have proof that most of the violent protests are planned well ahead of time down to exact timing and how to accelerate violence by normally peaceful protestors by Antifa which because of this has been named a Domestic Terrorist Organization. You simply cannot control you bigotry. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...cid=uxbndlbing What I find very interesting about the bigotry of Frank is that he doesn't even know that "the proud boys" includes blacks and Asians. The only thing you need to join is to be an American that wouldn't kneel for the National Anthem or the raising of the American flag. Hey Franky - show your bigotry some more. Certainly there must be someone with an IQ of 60 that hasn't noticed it. |
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rOn Thu, 29 Oct 2020 12:15:33 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote: On 10/28/2020 10:02 PM, AMuzi wrote: On 10/28/2020 8:38 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 10/28/2020 7:53 PM, Joy Beeson wrote: On Wed, 28 Oct 2020 13:31:47 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote: Sometimes bike shops are burglarized. So we should make it legal to burglarize bike shops. If everyone affected by the burglary gives informed consent, why not? Then it's not a burglary. It's a donation. or 'reparations' as is currently claimed. Just ignore the flames in these 'peaceful protest' images: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=october+20... es&ia=images Here's the problem, at least some of the time: What do you call a protest if 500 people are walking around quietly with signs, some with toddlers on their shoulders, doing absolutely nothing illegal? Then what do you call the same protest if five punks suddenly drive up with a Molotov cocktail and throw it at some concrete? What do you call it if those punks then drive off and collect $100 from a Proud Boys chapter? I'm absolutely against rioting. I think it's absolutely counterproductive. But I think not all is what it seems. Note that the first "protest" in the new United States was the so called "Whiskey Rebellion" which was a protest against the first tax levied on a domestic product... and was put down by military force. One of the events was described as: On August 1 (1790), about 7,000 people gathered at Braddock's Field. The crowd consisted primarily of poor people who owned no land, and most did not own whiskey stills. The furor over the whiskey excise had unleashed anger about other economic grievances. By this time, the victims of violence were often wealthy property owners who had no connection to the whiskey tax. Some of the most radical protesters wanted to march on Pittsburgh, which they called "Sodom", loot the homes of the wealthy, and then burn the town to the ground. Sound familiar? -- Cheers, John B. |
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On Thu, 29 Oct 2020 12:36:34 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote: On 10/28/2020 10:27 PM, John B. wrote: On Wed, 28 Oct 2020 21:45:30 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 10/28/2020 8:49 PM, John B. wrote: On Wed, 28 Oct 2020 20:05:29 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 10/28/2020 4:26 PM, AMuzi wrote: On 10/28/2020 12:31 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 10/28/2020 9:35 AM, AMuzi wrote: On 10/27/2020 10:21 PM, news18 wrote: On Wed, 28 Oct 2020 08:37:34 +0700, John B. wrote: On Wed, 28 Oct 2020 01:27:56 -0000 (UTC), news18 wrote: On Tue, 27 Oct 2020 10:01:53 -0500, AMuzi wrote: Uh, the Government woke up one morning and took all the weapons form Australia's citizens with a vanishingly small number of casualties. They actually obeyed. Naah, there are more registered firearms in Australia than ever. If you pass the handling tests and have a valid reason for aÂ* gun, you can get a licence. Protecting your drug stash isn't a valid reason. Penile substitution isn't a reason. Bragging my gun is bigger then your gun isn't a reason. Out of curiosity what are valid reasons? I suppose "Defending my sheep against dingoes" might be but, what about "I enjoy target shooting"? Both those. Rural property owners have it easiest. Pest control, killing injured/ diseased stock, etc all valid reason. Also, they can authorise you to shoot on their land and thus yo can get a gun owners license. If you are a member of a target shooting club, require range/facilities, the club can authorise you to obtain a license. Your can also join the Sporting Shooters and similar other clubs, abide by their rules and get a licence to go game shooting in certain areas. You can not get a pistol license unless you are a target shooter(can keep it at home) or a licensed security guard(only carry when working). Lol, a senior Australian Federal Police officer is for the chop. Instead of leaving his glock in the safe at the end of the day, he took it on holiday to shoot targets, etc and then allowed another person to use it. Our system just prevents someone like Tommy that goes gaga suddenly acquiring a gun and popping any one they want to. There are the usual criminal holes and slack checking problems, but generally it works. Works about as well as the 100+ year old Heroin ban: https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/austr...an/ar-BB19ktm0 https://thoughtleader.co.za/admin-2/...een-shot-down/ And in parallel logic: Sometimes bike shops are burglarized. So we should make it legal to burglarize bike shops. (Really?) Very effective: https://abc7chicago.com/bike-shop-bu...swood/5111172/ https://cwbchicago.com/2019/01/linco...rglarized.html https://wgntv.com/news/lincoln-park-...n-three-weeks/ Right. As I say, bike shops do get burglarized despite the laws. And people do sell and use heroin despite the laws. You seem to imply that anti-heroin laws do no good. One might similarly say that anti-burglary laws do no good. Which laws should be repealed and why? It isn't the law, per se, but the enforcing of the law that matters. In Singapore, for example, the penalty for dealing dope is hanging and they do hang those convicted of the crime. And the penalty is enacted within weeks of the conviction. Not 20 years later. And, Singapore has the lowest number of drug users in the world. I do think that quick enforcement is far better than delayed enforcement. I don't know how we'd ever get to quick enforcement in the U.S., though. We've got a long tradition and a long list of precedents that allow horribly long delays when dealing with even horrible crimes. Singapore has an advantage in being, quite literally, a "city state" with it's much simpler legal system. In the event of a death sentence the sentence is automatically forwarded to the President for action. The president can ignore the question, in which the sentence is carried out, return the case to the court for re-trial or pardon the criminal. But, no, I doubt that such an act would be acceptable in the U.S. as there are such a multitude of "bleeding hearts" who, I suggest, view things in a somewhat abstract manner. One can only speculate on those who gather outside a Texas prison holding candles when some character who has raped and murdered some 77 year old grandmother and stole her Social Security check is executed. Would they would light candles if it were their grandmother... or wife, laying there on the floor with her petticoat up around her waist? Some would still light candles. And I wouldn't mock them. There are those with strong religious convictions against capital punishment. Well, I would mock them as individuals that cut and fitted the teachings in whichever "holy book" they believed in to fit their own prejudices. And there are cogent philosophical and psychological arguments against it as well. Consider: Death sentences in the U.S. typically take something like 15 years to be completed - that is, time from conviction to the actual execution. If after 15 years they actually inject the fatal drugs, or turn on the electricity or whatever, do you think it actually acts as a deterrent to the next capital crime? You are correct. I once had a small time dope dealer, or actually attempted dope dealer work for me - somebody stole his stash before he could actually sell any. He told me that as soon as he got out of the Service he was going to shoot the thief. His thinking was that if he committed murder while in the Service he would be court-martialed and bingo straight into jail or whatever but if he waited until he was a civilian he reckoned even if convicted it would be 15 years before he would be executed. I don't. Any stupid punk or heinously evil pervert who hears of the execution will not be moved. They will have forgotten the original crime, and/or they will think "I'm smarter, I'd get away with it." It might be more effective to have a convicted perp kept alive but "legally" dead, with absolutely no chance for appeal based on anything but (say) new DNA evidence. That is, no appeal because the judge used the wrong word, the jury didn't have lunch, the witness may have seen something on TV, etc. And have the perp kept in visibly miserable conditions - boring as hell, uncomfortable, visually ugly. And filmed and broadcast to the public for constant viewing in juvenile justice centers, city jails, YouTube channels, etc. Admittedly, I haven't thought deeply about all this, so I'm open to discussion. But I'm not aware of information showing the current U.S. practice of capital punishment actually does much good. I think there are better ways. Well, my belief is that all imprisonment should be "at hard labor", the Prison Farms in several southern States, for example, while I believe are not totally self sufficient but are far less costly, per capita, to the state then in, say, California. Note that the theory that prison "reforms" anyone from a life of crime is largely false as: "The 401,288 state prisoners released in 2005 had an estimated 1,994,000 arrests during the 9-year period, following release, An estimated 68% of released prisoners were arrested within 3 years, 79% within 6 years, and 83% within year after release and not arrested again during the 9 years https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/18upr9yfup0514.pdf -- Cheers, John B. |
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On 10/29/2020 8:04 PM, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 29 Oct 2020 12:36:34 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 10/28/2020 10:27 PM, John B. wrote: On Wed, 28 Oct 2020 21:45:30 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 10/28/2020 8:49 PM, John B. wrote: On Wed, 28 Oct 2020 20:05:29 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 10/28/2020 4:26 PM, AMuzi wrote: On 10/28/2020 12:31 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 10/28/2020 9:35 AM, AMuzi wrote: On 10/27/2020 10:21 PM, news18 wrote: On Wed, 28 Oct 2020 08:37:34 +0700, John B. wrote: On Wed, 28 Oct 2020 01:27:56 -0000 (UTC), news18 wrote: On Tue, 27 Oct 2020 10:01:53 -0500, AMuzi wrote: Uh, the Government woke up one morning and took all the weapons form Australia's citizens with a vanishingly small number of casualties. They actually obeyed. Naah, there are more registered firearms in Australia than ever. If you pass the handling tests and have a valid reason for a gun, you can get a licence. Protecting your drug stash isn't a valid reason. Penile substitution isn't a reason. Bragging my gun is bigger then your gun isn't a reason. Out of curiosity what are valid reasons? I suppose "Defending my sheep against dingoes" might be but, what about "I enjoy target shooting"? Both those. Rural property owners have it easiest. Pest control, killing injured/ diseased stock, etc all valid reason. Also, they can authorise you to shoot on their land and thus yo can get a gun owners license. If you are a member of a target shooting club, require range/facilities, the club can authorise you to obtain a license. Your can also join the Sporting Shooters and similar other clubs, abide by their rules and get a licence to go game shooting in certain areas. You can not get a pistol license unless you are a target shooter(can keep it at home) or a licensed security guard(only carry when working). Lol, a senior Australian Federal Police officer is for the chop. Instead of leaving his glock in the safe at the end of the day, he took it on holiday to shoot targets, etc and then allowed another person to use it. Our system just prevents someone like Tommy that goes gaga suddenly acquiring a gun and popping any one they want to. There are the usual criminal holes and slack checking problems, but generally it works. Works about as well as the 100+ year old Heroin ban: https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/austr...an/ar-BB19ktm0 https://thoughtleader.co.za/admin-2/...een-shot-down/ And in parallel logic: Sometimes bike shops are burglarized. So we should make it legal to burglarize bike shops. (Really?) Very effective: https://abc7chicago.com/bike-shop-bu...swood/5111172/ https://cwbchicago.com/2019/01/linco...rglarized.html https://wgntv.com/news/lincoln-park-...n-three-weeks/ Right. As I say, bike shops do get burglarized despite the laws. And people do sell and use heroin despite the laws. You seem to imply that anti-heroin laws do no good. One might similarly say that anti-burglary laws do no good. Which laws should be repealed and why? It isn't the law, per se, but the enforcing of the law that matters. In Singapore, for example, the penalty for dealing dope is hanging and they do hang those convicted of the crime. And the penalty is enacted within weeks of the conviction. Not 20 years later. And, Singapore has the lowest number of drug users in the world. I do think that quick enforcement is far better than delayed enforcement. I don't know how we'd ever get to quick enforcement in the U.S., though. We've got a long tradition and a long list of precedents that allow horribly long delays when dealing with even horrible crimes. Singapore has an advantage in being, quite literally, a "city state" with it's much simpler legal system. In the event of a death sentence the sentence is automatically forwarded to the President for action. The president can ignore the question, in which the sentence is carried out, return the case to the court for re-trial or pardon the criminal. But, no, I doubt that such an act would be acceptable in the U.S. as there are such a multitude of "bleeding hearts" who, I suggest, view things in a somewhat abstract manner. One can only speculate on those who gather outside a Texas prison holding candles when some character who has raped and murdered some 77 year old grandmother and stole her Social Security check is executed. Would they would light candles if it were their grandmother... or wife, laying there on the floor with her petticoat up around her waist? Some would still light candles. And I wouldn't mock them. There are those with strong religious convictions against capital punishment. Well, I would mock them as individuals that cut and fitted the teachings in whichever "holy book" they believed in to fit their own prejudices. And there are cogent philosophical and psychological arguments against it as well. Consider: Death sentences in the U.S. typically take something like 15 years to be completed - that is, time from conviction to the actual execution. If after 15 years they actually inject the fatal drugs, or turn on the electricity or whatever, do you think it actually acts as a deterrent to the next capital crime? You are correct. I once had a small time dope dealer, or actually attempted dope dealer work for me - somebody stole his stash before he could actually sell any. He told me that as soon as he got out of the Service he was going to shoot the thief. His thinking was that if he committed murder while in the Service he would be court-martialed and bingo straight into jail or whatever but if he waited until he was a civilian he reckoned even if convicted it would be 15 years before he would be executed. I don't. Any stupid punk or heinously evil pervert who hears of the execution will not be moved. They will have forgotten the original crime, and/or they will think "I'm smarter, I'd get away with it." It might be more effective to have a convicted perp kept alive but "legally" dead, with absolutely no chance for appeal based on anything but (say) new DNA evidence. That is, no appeal because the judge used the wrong word, the jury didn't have lunch, the witness may have seen something on TV, etc. And have the perp kept in visibly miserable conditions - boring as hell, uncomfortable, visually ugly. And filmed and broadcast to the public for constant viewing in juvenile justice centers, city jails, YouTube channels, etc. Admittedly, I haven't thought deeply about all this, so I'm open to discussion. But I'm not aware of information showing the current U.S. practice of capital punishment actually does much good. I think there are better ways. Well, my belief is that all imprisonment should be "at hard labor", the Prison Farms in several southern States, for example, while I believe are not totally self sufficient but are far less costly, per capita, to the state then in, say, California. Note that the theory that prison "reforms" anyone from a life of crime is largely false as: "The 401,288 state prisoners released in 2005 had an estimated 1,994,000 arrests during the 9-year period, following release, An estimated 68% of released prisoners were arrested within 3 years, 79% within 6 years, and 83% within year after release and not arrested again during the 9 years https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/18upr9yfup0514.pdf Every rule has an exception. my friend Tyrone for example: https://www.alibris.com/search/books/isbn/9781365307904 Then again, he's exceptional. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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with Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 10/28/2020 10:27 PM, John B. wrote: On Wed, 28 Oct 2020 21:45:30 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 10/28/2020 8:49 PM, John B. wrote: On Wed, 28 Oct 2020 20:05:29 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 10/28/2020 4:26 PM, AMuzi wrote: On 10/28/2020 12:31 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 10/28/2020 9:35 AM, AMuzi wrote: On 10/27/2020 10:21 PM, news18 wrote: On Wed, 28 Oct 2020 08:37:34 +0700, John B. wrote: On Wed, 28 Oct 2020 01:27:56 -0000 (UTC), news18 wrote: On Tue, 27 Oct 2020 10:01:53 -0500, AMuzi wrote: *SKIP* I don't. Any stupid punk or heinously evil pervert who hears of the execution will not be moved. They will have forgotten the original crime, and/or they will think "I'm smarter, I'd get away with it." That's something I can't disagree with. However, how it connects with what's below is beyond my understanding. It might be more effective to have a convicted perp kept alive but "legally" dead, with absolutely no chance for appeal based on anything but (say) new DNA evidence. That is, no appeal because the judge used the wrong word, the jury didn't have lunch, the witness may have seen something on TV, etc. It is this way (effectevely) already, isn't it? And have the perp kept in visibly miserable conditions - boring as hell, uncomfortable, visually ugly. And filmed and broadcast to the public for constant viewing in juvenile justice centers, city jails, YouTube channels, etc. That would be torture. How people jump from being The White Knight And Stuff to torture is beyond my understanding. *CUT* -- Torvalds' goal for Linux is very simple: World Domination Stallman's goal for GNU is even simpler: Freedom |
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On Friday, October 30, 2020 at 3:33:14 AM UTC-7, Eric Pozharski wrote:
with Frank Krygowski wrote: On 10/28/2020 10:27 PM, John B. wrote: On Wed, 28 Oct 2020 21:45:30 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 10/28/2020 8:49 PM, John B. wrote: On Wed, 28 Oct 2020 20:05:29 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 10/28/2020 4:26 PM, AMuzi wrote: On 10/28/2020 12:31 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 10/28/2020 9:35 AM, AMuzi wrote: On 10/27/2020 10:21 PM, news18 wrote: On Wed, 28 Oct 2020 08:37:34 +0700, John B. wrote: On Wed, 28 Oct 2020 01:27:56 -0000 (UTC), news18 wrote: On Tue, 27 Oct 2020 10:01:53 -0500, AMuzi wrote: *SKIP* I don't. Any stupid punk or heinously evil pervert who hears of the execution will not be moved. They will have forgotten the original crime, and/or they will think "I'm smarter, I'd get away with it." That's something I can't disagree with. However, how it connects with what's below is beyond my understanding. It might be more effective to have a convicted perp kept alive but "legally" dead, with absolutely no chance for appeal based on anything but (say) new DNA evidence. That is, no appeal because the judge used the wrong word, the jury didn't have lunch, the witness may have seen something on TV, etc. It is this way (effectevely) already, isn't it? And have the perp kept in visibly miserable conditions - boring as hell, uncomfortable, visually ugly. And filmed and broadcast to the public for constant viewing in juvenile justice centers, city jails, YouTube channels, etc. That would be torture. How people jump from being The White Knight And Stuff to torture is beyond my understanding. *CUT* We are pretty much in agreement. People that complain the most about things often are those most culpable for them. Among this group it is rather amazing that Frank will tell us about people sitting on death row for their entire lives rather than being executed when that might be the worst punishment for them. I am against the death penalty because I think that solitary confinement for the rest of their natural lives is a far worse punishment for capital crimes. But of course it only is a deterrent if the media is willing to report on it and they will not. |
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On Friday, October 30, 2020 at 6:33:14 AM UTC-4, Eric Pozharski wrote:
with Frank Krygowski wrote: It might be more effective to have a convicted perp kept alive but "legally" dead, with absolutely no chance t anfor appeal based on anything but (say) new DNA evidence. That is, no appeal because the judge used the wrong word, the jury didn't have lunch, the witness may have seen something on TV, etc. It is this way (effectevely) already, isn't it? I don't think so. We have a local case where a guy was convicted of raping and murdering a pre-teen boy. His defense lawyers are still mounting appeals over 20 years later. And I think this matters because perps think "If I get caught, I can get off on some technicality. And if I get convicted, I can try endless appeals and I might get lucky and get out." I don't know, but I suspect some of the death penalty defense attorneys are drawn to that job by moral objections to execution. If the perp didn't face execution, but instead absolutely guaranteed sequestration, there might be less chance of release. (Admittedly, this is just my idea. I'm not an expert at all.) And have the perp kept in visibly miserable conditions - boring as hell, uncomfortable, visually ugly. And filmed and broadcast to the public for constant viewing in juvenile justice centers, city jails, YouTube channels, etc. That would be torture. How people jump from being The White Knight And Stuff to torture is beyond my understanding. Being bored, uncomfortable and in ugly surroundings is torture?? Hell, for a lot of people that's just "work." - Frank Krygowski |
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On 10/30/2020 12:14 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Friday, October 30, 2020 at 6:33:14 AM UTC-4, Eric Pozharski wrote: with Frank Krygowski wrote: It might be more effective to have a convicted perp kept alive but "legally" dead, with absolutely no chance t anfor appeal based on anything but (say) new DNA evidence. That is, no appeal because the judge used the wrong word, the jury didn't have lunch, the witness may have seen something on TV, etc. It is this way (effectevely) already, isn't it? I don't think so. We have a local case where a guy was convicted of raping and murdering a pre-teen boy. His defense lawyers are still mounting appeals over 20 years later. And I think this matters because perps think "If I get caught, I can get off on some technicality. And if I get convicted, I can try endless appeals and I might get lucky and get out." I don't know, but I suspect some of the death penalty defense attorneys are drawn to that job by moral objections to execution. If the perp didn't face execution, but instead absolutely guaranteed sequestration, there might be less chance of release. (Admittedly, this is just my idea. I'm not an expert at all.) And have the perp kept in visibly miserable conditions - boring as hell, uncomfortable, visually ugly. And filmed and broadcast to the public for constant viewing in juvenile justice centers, city jails, YouTube channels, etc. That would be torture. How people jump from being The White Knight And Stuff to torture is beyond my understanding. Being bored, uncomfortable and in ugly surroundings is torture?? Hell, for a lot of people that's just "work." - Frank Krygowski Then there's 'death by unintended consequences': https://nypost.com/2020/02/05/man-wh...rs-found-dead/ 'Reform' sounds great to people who have not thought deeply about why we have what we have now. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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On Friday, October 30, 2020 at 11:00:06 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 10/30/2020 12:14 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: On Friday, October 30, 2020 at 6:33:14 AM UTC-4, Eric Pozharski wrote: with Frank Krygowski wrote: It might be more effective to have a convicted perp kept alive but "legally" dead, with absolutely no chance t anfor appeal based on anything but (say) new DNA evidence. That is, no appeal because the judge used the wrong word, the jury didn't have lunch, the witness may have seen something on TV, etc. It is this way (effectevely) already, isn't it? I don't think so. We have a local case where a guy was convicted of raping and murdering a pre-teen boy. His defense lawyers are still mounting appeals over 20 years later. And I think this matters because perps think "If I get caught, I can get off on some technicality. And if I get convicted, I can try endless appeals and I might get lucky and get out." I don't know, but I suspect some of the death penalty defense attorneys are drawn to that job by moral objections to execution. If the perp didn't face execution, but instead absolutely guaranteed sequestration, there might be less chance of release. (Admittedly, this is just my idea. I'm not an expert at all.) And have the perp kept in visibly miserable conditions - boring as hell, uncomfortable, visually ugly. And filmed and broadcast to the public for constant viewing in juvenile justice centers, city jails, YouTube channels, etc. That would be torture. How people jump from being The White Knight And Stuff to torture is beyond my understanding. Being bored, uncomfortable and in ugly surroundings is torture?? Hell, for a lot of people that's just "work." - Frank Krygowski Then there's 'death by unintended consequences': https://nypost.com/2020/02/05/man-wh...rs-found-dead/ 'Reform' sounds great to people who have not thought deeply about why we have what we have now. I want you to think about what you just wrote. Just try to put together the words "deep thinking" and "Krygowski". I'm still back at his Biden-like remarks about he is proven unbigoted by having worked with other races. |
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