Problem with New Bike's Horoscope

Badger_South wrote:

Would you mock Muhammed Ali for his beliefs? You might but if he heard you,
he'd pat you on your little pointed head.

-B
I -want- to believe.

Thanks for that, Badger. I'm relieved to see that at least some people here are
sensitive to the second degree.

EFR
Ile de France

On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 11:05:35 +0200, Elisa Francesca Roselli
wrote:



Badger_South wrote:

Would you mock Muhammed Ali for his beliefs? You might but if he heard you,
he'd pat you on your little pointed head.

-B
I -want- to believe.

Thanks for that, Badger. I'm relieved to see that at least some people here are
sensitive to the second degree.

EFR
Ile de France

No problem. You have quite a following here, young lady. ;-D

Even though some things you do and say may seem a little outlandish at
times, you say them with such style and panache and your prose is sheer
poetry, that it doesn't matter what you're saying as much as that reading
it is still enjoyable.

Best,

-B

In article t,
"Claire Petersky" writes:

The whole idea of a developing a natal chart based on the time of birth is
that the soul is permanently and irrevocably attached to the body when the
first breath is taken. My question to you is then -- when does your bike get
its "soul"? I think your bike is official with the first ride -- you in the
saddle, turning the cranks.

I have to agree. If by 'soul' we're refering to some
animating force or principle, a bicycle by itself just
doesn't have one, not even on some sort of mechanical
nephesch-ish level, like with Asimov's robots.
The rider is the bicycle's animus. The rider's soul
is the bicycle's soul.


cheers,
Tom

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Elisa Francesca Roselli wrote in message ...

I don't suppose anyone else has this kind of problem. But if it
does
mean something to you, when would you consider your bike "born"?

EFR

Why is bike riding so complex on this newsgroup? I have been reading
different threads for the past few days and I am in awe. (or
catatonic). I had this vision of buying a bicycle, going for a ride
in my cute little suburban town occasionally, riding through the
parks, dodging squirrels, passing the little children who ride around
town and basically being serene and at peace not catastrophically
harmed. I live in this town because it is far from dangerous in any
respect. You have to leave town to find anything even remotely close
to risky. I moved here from Newark when I was a kid and I know "safe
and unsafe". We moved here just before the Newark Riots started in
the 60's. It was a fun time back then. Also when I was young (a very
long time ago) I rode on the back of motorcycles (aka choppers)..with
extended front ends which were built by my husband and I never wore a
helmet, took a spill or two and never thought about it. As a kid I
rode on the handlebars of my older brothers bike in downtown Newark. I
remember trying to cross Broad and Market to get to the park....I
don't know how I lived. It's not like I grew up a wuss. Now I am 50,
bought a Walmart bicycle, looked for a bicycle newsgroup and after
reading the threads I feel like I am a dead woman if I ride. Maybe
with age comes fear, who knows. I do remember being fearless
once....or was that stupid? Fearless or stupid? Is there a
difference? Point me in a direction where old ladies who turned 50
can talk about riding their walmart bikes in the parks of their quiet
little protected suburbian town. GOD THAT SOUNDS BORING. I have
become one of "THE OLD PEOPLE!!!!!!" Safe, protected and hiding in
my nice suburban lifestyle. In a town where 3 police cars show up to
every call, because nothing ever happens here.

Maggie wrote:

Why is bike riding so complex on this newsgroup?

It probably isn't, but that you've happened on a few obsessive-compulsive nut-cases.

EFR
Ile de France

In article ,
(Maggie) writes:

Why is bike riding so complex on this newsgroup?

1) 'Cuz bike riders are complex people and bikes are too
simple, so we've gotta inflict our complexities on 'em.
(Human) nature deploring a vacuum 'n all that.

2) 'Cuz we're stuck for new & interesting things to talk about.
It's all already been discussed. So we delve into the
details, hoping to find interesting topics hitherto
overlooked. It's something to do while waiting for the
rain to stop, or dogging it at the workplace.


cheers,
Tom

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: Why is bike riding so complex on this newsgroup? I have been reading
: different threads for the past few days and I am in awe. (or
: catatonic). I had this vision of buying a bicycle, going for a ride
: in my cute little suburban town occasionally, riding through the
: parks, dodging squirrels, passing the little children who ride around
: town and basically being serene and at peace not catastrophically
: harmed. I live in this town because it is far from dangerous in any
: respect. You have to leave town to find anything even remotely close
: to risky. I moved here from Newark when I was a kid and I know "safe
: and unsafe". We moved here just before the Newark Riots started in
: the 60's. It was a fun time back then. Also when I was young (a very
: long time ago) I rode on the back of motorcycles (aka choppers)..with
: extended front ends which were built by my husband and I never wore a
: helmet, took a spill or two and never thought about it. As a kid I
: rode on the handlebars of my older brothers bike in downtown Newark. I
: remember trying to cross Broad and Market to get to the park....I
: don't know how I lived. It's not like I grew up a wuss. Now I am 50,
: bought a Walmart bicycle, looked for a bicycle newsgroup and after
: reading the threads I feel like I am a dead woman if I ride. Maybe
: with age comes fear, who knows. I do remember being fearless
: once....or was that stupid? Fearless or stupid? Is there a
: difference? Point me in a direction where old ladies who turned 50
: can talk about riding their walmart bikes in the parks of their quiet
: little protected suburbian town. GOD THAT SOUNDS BORING. I have
: become one of "THE OLD PEOPLE!!!!!!" Safe, protected and hiding in
: my nice suburban lifestyle. In a town where 3 police cars show up to
: every call, because nothing ever happens here.

Well, if you ride slowly within the confines of a park, you shouldn't have
any problems...except if you hit the squirrel, I suppose. I wouldn't
hesitate to say that the rest of us ride bicycles in the real world, and not
in the park.

Pat in TX

"Tom Keats" wrote in message
...

It's something to do while (...) dogging it at the workplace.

You'd not be from the uk then :-)

cheers,
clive

(google for 'stan collymore' will give you hints)

In article ,
"Clive George" writes:
"Tom Keats" wrote in message
...

It's something to do while (...) dogging it at the workplace.

You'd not be from the uk then :-)

No, I'm just a canadian from Vancouver, where we usually
use a quainter but more vulgar expression (involving dogs)
for skiving, which I once used here -- to my dismay, but
to some other people's amusement. This time I thought I'd
play it safe by using the 'dogging it' expression instead --
apparently it's more familiar to Americans.

Oh, well :-)


cheers,
Tom

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Elisa Francesca Roselli wrote:

Now there's an idea. I brought the bike today to the shop that will do the
setup and check-through. On the same occasion, I requested that a new
computer be configured to the bike with a cadence function. So there will
be a new computer to register the first heartbeat, as you say.

Caveat that I think the whole concept is rather daft, but if we assume
for the sake of argument there's something in it then the above seems
very silly. It means that none of my bikes would technically be "alive"
as I don't use computers or equivalents, and before, say, 15-20 years
ago hardly any bike would have qualified.

Think of a baby born outside of a hospital and thus without monitoring
equipment: are their hearts not beating just because nobody is measuring?

Also, it strikes me that taking possession of something is a
wrong-headed approach to its notional birth. If you adopt a human
infant the moment of their birth is /not/ the time you formally sign the
adoption paper. The bicycle's birth should, similarly, be independent
of its owner to my mind, as the owner (in the case of a buyer of stock)
has nothing to do with its creation. In terms of the machine's "birth",
the forge and the welder strike me as far more fundamental than whoever
wields the credit card. A good master or mistress is an asset to a
bike, just as it is to a dog or cat, but it seems silly and perhaps a
little vain to assume your personal schedule clearly imprints the
creation moment of something which would still exist if you didn't.

Or, put another way, I don't see how you can really know when the bike
truly came to be, and fudging about to suit your own preconceived
notions of what something independent of you ought to be is perhaps
trying to fiddle with rules of fate that, by their very nature, don't
take fiddling.

As I said, caveat is I think astrology is bunk, but the above arguments
were made having set my prejudices aside as well as I was able to (you
can go to some pretty odd places while waiting for servers to reboot
after hours...)

Pete.
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