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On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 16:37:40 +0200, Rolf Mantel
wrote: Am 06.06.2019 um 16:11 schrieb Jeff Liebermann: On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 10:03:52 -0000 (UTC), Duane wrote: But you can’t text without looking at it. The problem can also be handled with a little social engineering. Simply raise the price of texting while moving. Does anybody without a text flat-rate still use texting these days? In Germany, the costs of texts have driven the young generation to whatsapp (my son sends hundreds of whatsapps per day and has sent less than 10 texts in his life, to mum who didn't use mobile internet until recently). Europe has a "caller pays" price structure. The USA has a "recipient pays" structure where the recipient of the SMS message pays for the text. The result is that very few people care about cost of sending an SMS message when they're not the one paying the bill. Also, it's a great incentive for robocall services, which pay next to nothing to spew their junk via SMS messages. However, you're right. Chat apps have largely displaced SMS messages in the USA, mostly because SMS is crude compared to a typical chat app and of course, they're free. My scheme would still work if it prevented the keyboard from working when the phone is moving. The necessary logic might become rather complicated, but methinks it can be done. -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
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On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 08:00:39 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot
wrote: What is the driver is using a voice to text program whilst driving? Cheers Good question. In theory, he's doing only 2 things at once (driving and talking). However, he has to control the message on the phone, which means finger poking the screen of the smartphone to select "send" or verify that speech-to-text didn't garble the message. So, while he's talking, he's probably ok. But reading the incoming message and using text to speech to reply is not because he's distracted by the screen. It's much the same with 2way radio. There are plenty of controls that might be distracting, but mostly they're not used while driving. Worst case would be changing channel, which is usually a simple dial. Again, there are plenty of holes, exceptions, logic issues, and problems with my scheme. However, I think it's better than doing nothing about the problem, which is the current situation. Do something, even if it's wrong. (from a former employer). -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
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On 06/06/2019 10:37 a.m., Rolf Mantel wrote:
Am 06.06.2019 um 16:11 schrieb Jeff Liebermann: On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 10:03:52 -0000 (UTC), Duane wrote: But you can’t text without looking at it. The problem can also be handled with a little social engineering. Simply raise the price of texting while moving. Does anybody without a text flat-rate still use texting these days?Â* In Germany, the costs of texts have driven the young generation to whatsapp (my son sends hundreds of whatsapps per day and has sent less than 10 texts in his life, to mum who didn't use mobile internet until recently). Here in Quebec, data plans are limited but text to North America is generally unlimited so something like WhatsApp or Messenger costs more. |
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On Thursday, June 6, 2019 at 9:48:48 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/6/2019 8:54 AM, Rolf Mantel wrote: Am 06.06.2019 um 14:14 schrieb Duane: You can listen or talk on a radio without looking at it.Â* Same with a phone.Â*Â* Especially if you have some hands free device as most cars do now. But you can’t text without looking at it. Well actually you can send text by voice using Siri on iPhone and there's probably some app that reads it. Siri can do that as well https://www.dummies.com/consumer-ele...r-texts-aloud/ (and with the appropriate in-car integration, without needing to touch the home button). I have sat in a car as a passenger when the driver was texted by his wife and sent an answer via Siri.Â* Needed a few repetitions to get the right text but still simpler than ringing her to pass the estimated arrival time. And it's now so important to tell one's arrival time? I can accept it may be important in some few instances- perhaps "I'll be there before the baby is born!" But from certain friends, I now get texts saying "We're almost there, see you in five minutes." That's over-communication. We shouldn't need minute by minute reports. Personally, I like the high-level cell phone conferences (on speaker) at the produce department about what lettuce to buy. People whine about privacy, but will stand next to you in the store, in an elevator -- anywhere -- and broadcast their private conversations. Collaboration is now required for the most rudimentary activity. You even need to collaborate with inanimate objects like Siri and your car. We should just have our heads put in jars connected to wi-fi. http://www.monsterbashnews.com/Morepics/TheySavedHitler'sBrain-Head.jpg -- Jay Beattie. |
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On Wednesday, June 5, 2019 at 4:33:06 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 05 Jun 2019 08:16:55 -0500, AMuzi wrote: On 6/5/2019 1:47 AM, Andy wrote: I have thought about carrying a short range cell phone jammer while biking. I have given it careful thought. But when traveling as a passenger I increasingly see drivers drifting over into other lanes. They are irresponsible idiots who are a danger to everyone. Andy Good luck with that. FCC has an unkindly view of pirate transmitters. Somewhere on the net a guy wrote that "back in the day" a driver had a wheel, a gear shift and three pedals and one switch on the floor and had to be at least minimally alert to handle all this. Now with cruise control the drive has only the wheel and this can spend more time on other things like day-dreaming, sleeping or messing about with a hand phone. I wonder whether he may not have been correct? -- cheers, John B. I'd like to see you drive anywhere in California and daydream. |
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On Thursday, June 6, 2019 at 7:11:21 AM UTC-7, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 10:03:52 -0000 (UTC), Duane wrote: But you can’t text without looking at it. Notice that I didn't mention texting and that my suggestion would only solve part of the mobile phone distraction problem. Smartphones already have a built in GPS and accelerometer which can detect if the phone is moving or stopped. It would be easy to disable texting if the phone is moving. However, that would also prevent texting while moving public transport (bus, train, airplane), as well as prevent texting by passengers. So, there has to be a way to determine if the phone is in the drivers seat. I could conjure various schemes to make this work in new automobiles, but retrofitting older passenger and commercial vehicles would be cost prohibitive. I'm also undecided how to handle incoming texts, which will be a distraction as the driver tries to read the message on the screen. Displaying incoming texts could be delayed until the phone has stopped moving, which might work for some applications. The problem can also be handled with a little social engineering. Simply raise the price of texting while moving. Since the phone can detect if it's moving, the service provider can detect if the message was sent while moving. Sending texts while stationary will be billed at the usual low rate. Sending texts while moving gets billed and possibly taxes at an exorbitant rate. I'm sure the service providers will instantly approve of any idea that offers additional revenue. Incoming texts would be delayed until the phone has stopped moving. -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 How do you think that you can have an accelerometer on a device that can be held and pointed in all three direction? |
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On Thursday, June 6, 2019 at 12:48:48 PM UTC-4, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/6/2019 8:54 AM, Rolf Mantel wrote: Am 06.06.2019 um 14:14 schrieb Duane: You can listen or talk on a radio without looking at it.Â* Same with a phone.Â*Â* Especially if you have some hands free device as most cars do now. But you can’t text without looking at it. Well actually you can send text by voice using Siri on iPhone and there's probably some app that reads it. Siri can do that as well https://www.dummies.com/consumer-ele...r-texts-aloud/ (and with the appropriate in-car integration, without needing to touch the home button). I have sat in a car as a passenger when the driver was texted by his wife and sent an answer via Siri.Â* Needed a few repetitions to get the right text but still simpler than ringing her to pass the estimated arrival time. And it's now so important to tell one's arrival time? I can accept it may be important in some few instances- perhaps "I'll be there before the baby is born!" But from certain friends, I now get texts saying "We're almost there, see you in five minutes." That's over-communication. We shouldn't need minute by minute reports. -- - Frank Krygowski If you're going to waiting outside for someone it's kind of nice to know their ETA when the weather isn't nice. Cheers |
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On 6/6/2019 2:58 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Thursday, June 6, 2019 at 9:48:48 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 6/6/2019 8:54 AM, Rolf Mantel wrote: Am 06.06.2019 um 14:14 schrieb Duane: You can listen or talk on a radio without looking at it.Â* Same with a phone.Â*Â* Especially if you have some hands free device as most cars do now. But you can’t text without looking at it. Well actually you can send text by voice using Siri on iPhone and there's probably some app that reads it. Siri can do that as well https://www.dummies.com/consumer-ele...r-texts-aloud/ (and with the appropriate in-car integration, without needing to touch the home button). I have sat in a car as a passenger when the driver was texted by his wife and sent an answer via Siri.Â* Needed a few repetitions to get the right text but still simpler than ringing her to pass the estimated arrival time. And it's now so important to tell one's arrival time? I can accept it may be important in some few instances- perhaps "I'll be there before the baby is born!" But from certain friends, I now get texts saying "We're almost there, see you in five minutes." That's over-communication. We shouldn't need minute by minute reports. Personally, I like the high-level cell phone conferences (on speaker) at the produce department about what lettuce to buy. People whine about privacy, but will stand next to you in the store, in an elevator -- anywhere -- and broadcast their private conversations. Collaboration is now required for the most rudimentary activity. Some people join in on the collaboration, just for fun: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu5DP7atNKM A few months ago I was reading quietly in the library. Some guy (60-ish, old enough to know better) was talking on his cell phone in a loud conversational voice, talking business - stuff like "Well, did he get the invoice yet?" and "Fred should be able to take care of that tomorrow" etc., on and on. Other readers glanced up and frowned but he was clueless. I decided to get up and look for a book on the shelf immediately next to him. He moved around to the other side of the free-standing shelf rack, so after a few seconds I diligently looked for a book over there - pulling one out, opening it, putting it back, trying another... After about three or four iterations, he finally walked out of the library, still talking. What ever happened to librarians who could say "SSHHHH!" at 95 decibels? -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 12:48:44 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote: On 6/6/2019 8:54 AM, Rolf Mantel wrote: Am 06.06.2019 um 14:14 schrieb Duane: You can listen or talk on a radio without looking at it.* Same with a phone.** Especially if you have some hands free device as most cars do now. But you can’t text without looking at it. Well actually you can send text by voice using Siri on iPhone and there's probably some app that reads it. Siri can do that as well https://www.dummies.com/consumer-ele...r-texts-aloud/ (and with the appropriate in-car integration, without needing to touch the home button). I have sat in a car as a passenger when the driver was texted by his wife and sent an answer via Siri.* Needed a few repetitions to get the right text but still simpler than ringing her to pass the estimated arrival time. And it's now so important to tell one's arrival time? I can accept it may be important in some few instances- perhaps "I'll be there before the baby is born!" But from certain friends, I now get texts saying "We're almost there, see you in five minutes." That's over-communication. We shouldn't need minute by minute reports. Strange that in all my years I cannot remember an instance when it was important for me to notify someone when, exactly, I would arrive. And yes, there were innumerable instances when I was required to be at a certain place at a certain time - "Be home at supper time or your father will see to you!", or "If you aren't here for roll call you will get a week of extra duty". In short this irrational desire to be certain that you inform the universe of every detail of your life is just that, irrational. Or perhaps not. Perhaps it is simply evidence of an overweening arrogance that you are so important that everyone must be interested in your minute by minute activities. -- cheers, John B. |
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On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 13:29:11 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot
wrote: On Thursday, June 6, 2019 at 12:48:48 PM UTC-4, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 6/6/2019 8:54 AM, Rolf Mantel wrote: Am 06.06.2019 um 14:14 schrieb Duane: You can listen or talk on a radio without looking at it.* Same with a phone.** Especially if you have some hands free device as most cars do now. But you can’t text without looking at it. Well actually you can send text by voice using Siri on iPhone and there's probably some app that reads it. Siri can do that as well https://www.dummies.com/consumer-ele...r-texts-aloud/ (and with the appropriate in-car integration, without needing to touch the home button). I have sat in a car as a passenger when the driver was texted by his wife and sent an answer via Siri.* Needed a few repetitions to get the right text but still simpler than ringing her to pass the estimated arrival time. And it's now so important to tell one's arrival time? I can accept it may be important in some few instances- perhaps "I'll be there before the baby is born!" But from certain friends, I now get texts saying "We're almost there, see you in five minutes." That's over-communication. We shouldn't need minute by minute reports. -- - Frank Krygowski If you're going to waiting outside for someone it's kind of nice to know their ETA when the weather isn't nice. Cheers Since ETA actually means Estimated Time of Arrival you could simply tell someone, "I'll see you in front of the Post Office at 09:00 tomorrow. If its snowing I might be a little late. -- cheers, John B. |
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