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Old May 23rd 09, 05:47 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Default *Cyclist* Complains about Speed Camera Van

More evidence that real cycling advocates (rather than car-haters
pretending to be cycling advocates) dislike the killer cameras as much
as anyone. They are happy to see cameras for what they are, and
accept that the figures show quite clearly that cameras are costing
lives. It's only car-haters who see those figures and then
desperately try to massage them into saying that cameras don't cost
lives, such is their wish to make things harder for motorists whatever
the cost.

("Moderators", you'll have to find some other excuse to have a whinge
about this post from one of your opponents: it's about a cyclist so
it's on-topic by any reasonable interpretation. You may not like
speed cameras being discussed, because the more discussion there is,
the more people are likely to arrive at the truth about them (which of
course you hate), but in this particular case you're just going to
have to grin and bear it.)

I see a couple of trolls have already found the article and posted
troll-comments there. Whenever there's an article like that, you
pretty much always get 80-90% of the comments being sensible, well
thought out, interesting ones from camera opponents (that figures
since unbiased, unriggable surveys consistently show that at least 80%
of people oppose cameras), and the other 10-20% being idiotic,
simplistic, self-righteous tosh from camera supporters which adds
nothing to the debate (at least one post inevitably contains nothing
more than a variant of "If people just stuck to the speed limit then
they wouldn't get caught speeding"...never mind about whether cameras
improve road safety, as long as people are being punished
heavyhandedly and discretionlessly for committing arbitrary technical
"offences", eh? Can't have those motorists having it too easy,
especially the ones who go faster than me....)

http://www.lep.co.uk/travel/Row-over...era.5287472.jp

Row over 'stupid' speed camera van

A cyclist has demanded answers from road safety bosses over a
"dangerous" speed camera on a busy Lancashire road.

And a retired Lancashire police officer has told the Lancashire
Evening Post he thought the positioning of the van in Liverpool Road,
Penwortham, near Preston, was "absolutely stupid".

Cyclist David Daniels, 34, from Stargate Drive, Larches, Preston, had
to swerve around the van, parked at the end of a cycle lane.

But Lancashire Partnership for Road Safety (LPRS) says the position on
a stretch of 30mph limit road, is safe and that the van has been coned
off to protect cyclists from traffic.

Mr Daniels, a self-employed cleaner and a keen cyclist, said: "I was
on my way to work when I saw it.

"I stopped and asked him about it and he said they had permission from
the council and the police.

"He's parked right at the end of a cycle lane and cyclists have to
swerve out right into the road and into the traffic."

John Baldwin, 63, from Penwortham, who retired from Lancashire police
in 1978 after 14 years with the force, was also outraged.

He said: "It is stupid, absolutely stupid.

"I think it is scandalous. It is blocking the first lane. In reality
he is causing an obstruction. He has not got any legitimate reason
parking there as a road safety vehicle.

"When they get this job they seem to think they can park where they
want and do what they want."

Cones around the vehicle force two lanes of car traffic into one – a
right turn filter lane.

But Steve Whitehouse, project manager for the LPRS, said: "I am
entirely satisfied that the vehicle was not causing an obstruction.

"The site was last assessed in April 2008 by representatives from the
Lancashire Partnership for Road Safety, local councillors and county
councillors and this is the agreed location for the site."
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