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BBC - Cyclist Chased & Hit by Police car
On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 23:46:25 +1000, TooSore
wrote: "All policemen are racist violent thugs." "All Black male teenagers are gun-totting drug dealers" "All Scousers are theiving perm headed dole scroungers" "All cyclist run red lights and flout the laws of the road" It this one of those multiple choice questions where you have to select the correct answer? If so, I think I know which one is right. It's *D*, isn't it. |
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BBC - Cyclist Chased & Hit by Police car
in message , TooSore
') wrote: Ah yes, "All policemen are racist violent thugs." Where did anyone say that? It clearly isn't true. But the police driver in this case clearly deliberately used a lethal weapon (a car) to attack an unarmed member of the public. The film shows this very clearly. Granted it was in the heat of the moment and that the officer concerned was probably under normal circumstances a decent and upright citizen, we nevertheless cannot and must not allow those we employ to uphold the law to be held to a lesser standard of personal behaviour than anyone else. That's not a stereotype: it's a matter vital to the survival of the rule of law, and civil society. After all, quis custodiet ipsos custodes? -- (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/ ;; all in all you're just another click in the call ;; -- Minke Bouyed |
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BBC - Cyclist Chased & Hit by Police car
in message , MichaelB
') wrote: He's not a cyclist he's some scally lad trying to escape the police. He was a cyclist, and as the police never charged him with anything at all, he's hardly a 'scally lad'. Mouthy, certainly. It was unfortunate that the car went over him but there you go; **** happens. That might have been true the first time the car hit him; it certainly wasn't true the second time. You can't get away from it, heat of the moment or no, that looks deliberate. When I see 40+ year old men who are a bit chubby and their faces have set into an 'I know best expression' then I expect that they are going to be rude and arrogant. The reason I do this is because I worked behind a bar when I was a student and I learned that that expression on an old man is followed by some arrgance and rude behavior. So if a police man sees a black lad on a bike wearing chav gear etc and quite often these have been the thugs he's been trying to arrest then whats wrong with making the assumption that he is indeed a baddy? He's a policeman, that's what's wrong with it. He's employed, trained and paid /not/ to act on assumptions. If he picked on a black alter boy with a bible then you could understand that he was been racist because I've never seen an alter boy sell drugs. Neither have the police ever seen this boy sell drugs, nor found any witness who's ever seen him sell drugs. If they could have pinned anything at all on him they would have. They didn't; ergo, they couldn't. -- (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/ ;; First they came for the asylum seekers, ;; and I did not speak out because I was not an asylum seeker. ;; Then they came for the gypsies, ;; and I did not speak out because I was not a gypsy... ;; Pastor Martin Niemöller, translated by Michael Howard. |
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In article , MichaelB
writes He's not a cyclist he's some scally lad trying to escape the police. It was unfortunate that the car went over him but there you go; **** happens. Think how long it would take him to make 10 grand from cashing in his giro cheques and then tell me it wasn't the best thing that ever happened to him. When I see 40+ year old men who are a bit chubby and their faces have set into an 'I know best expression' then I expect that they are going to be rude and arrogant. The reason I do this is because I worked behind a bar when I was a student and I learned that that expression on an old man is Oi. Sexist, racist & most other ist remarks on usenet I can get used to, but I can't let ageist comments like that go by. 40+ is not old, at least not until the + gets _very_ significant. -- Peter Grange |
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On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 18:52:34 +0100, Simon Brooke
wrote: Granted it was in the heat of the moment and that the officer concerned was probably under normal circumstances a decent and upright citizen, we nevertheless cannot and must not allow those we employ to uphold the law to be held to a lesser standard of personal behaviour than anyone else. I agree whole heartedly with the "cannot and must not" sentiment, but, the fact is we don't have a say in the matter. Abuse of police power happens every single day. And every single day it is tolerated, covered up, and brushed under the carpet out of public sight. There's no denying it, it's there on film. That is terrifying police action which could easily have resulted in that lad's life ending right there and then on the tarmac. Regardless of whether he's an angel or a scumbag, our police are not empowered to execute people on the street. In any sane, reasonable or just society, the official response to that footage would be the same horror that you and I feel. It would result in swift, public and transparent action to investigate just how the hell that sequence of events came to pass, and those found to have acted recklessly, negligently or criminally would be held to account. That's not what we get however. The official response is to use the vast financial, legal and bureaucratic resources available to them to hide these events and the evidence of them from public view. It is a disgrace, a shameful and hideous disgrace. It happens all the time. Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Nobody. "Bob" -- Email address is spam trapped, to reply directly remove the beverage. |
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On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 16:19:57 +0100, Tony Hogarty
wrote: On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 00:52:51 +1000, MichaelB wrote: TooSore Wrote: Ah yes, "All Scousers are theiving perm headed dole scroungers" All southerners are pompous *******. Thats not so much a stereotype more a statement of truth But what about Scousers who now live in the south, where do they fit in? Parkhurst . G.harman |
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g.harman wrote:
"All Scousers are theiving perm headed dole scroungers" All southerners are pompous *******. Thats not so much a stereotype more a statement of truth But what about Scousers who now live in the south, where do they fit in? Parkhurst . G.harman And their families on the Flowers estate! |
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David Hansen wrote:
On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 07:12:59 +0000 (UTC) someone who may be "Peter B" wrote this:- Irrespective of whether or not the lad was suspected of or actually guilty of a serious criminal act had the police been armed it wasn't a situation (we hope) that would have warranted the firing of a weapon There was a case perhaps ten years ago. A police officer, who happened to have a gun, tried to stop someone in a car by hanging on to the door. At the trial he claimed that he feared for his life and so pulled out the gun and shot the driver dead. Presumably he could just have let go of the door. Amazingly there was a trial, but he was found not guilty. My cynicism meter tells me that the government does not try very hard when presenting such cases to the courts, with the result that as far as I'm aware no police officer has ever been held to account for their actions with guns. I suspect that this breeds the sort of atmosphere where individuals believe they are always right and can do what they like. I think it is in this sort of atmosphere, cut off from the "real world", that a conspiracy to murder could be hatched by the police and those who are supposed to regulate them, but are in fact examples of regulatory capture. Its been coming for years, accelerated by Thatcher who used the police and army (in police uniform) to destroy any union who opposed her. The extra pay and encouragement to remove I.D. (shoulder number/county badge) during those days set aside any *public service* aspect of the job, though some senior officers fought to retain control and I.D. wearing (officer without it was not "in uniform" so couldn't claim the protection of the uniform). Now we have a *police service* that has grown even further away from the public, officers no longer live and police in the same community often living in enclaves, the disassociation makes it easier to lose sight of who they work with/for, this is being pushed even harder with officers seen socialising outside of police clubs/police ranks as dangerous (like I.B.M. who monitor their employees social habits). And with the direct graduate entrant senior/accelerated officers being easier to control the gov't has been able to make them think they ARE above the law, this has filtered down through the ranks and is now endemic at all levels. A fellow Scouter has been effectively forced to resign from Scouting, where he had direct contact with youth and could have a positive influence, he has been acting up as duty sergeant for several years, but cannot progress until he is "totally job focused".... As far as dealing with motorists is concerned, the traffic unit I saw on the motorway this morning (M27) was more interested in a 4x4 with cycling stickers they were following (potential red light jumper?) than dealing with a van driver who was towing a caravan with very underinflated tyres, mis-matched number plates and due to mis-matched height of towball probably very unstable. |
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Also sprach Tony Hogarty :
On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 00:52:51 +1000, MichaelB wrote: TooSore Wrote: Ah yes, "All Scousers are theiving perm headed dole scroungers" All southerners are pompous *******. Thats not so much a stereotype more a statement of truth But what about Scousers who now live in the south, where do they fit in? I though they'd been sent to New Orleans to help with the looting... -- Dave Larrington - http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/ Funsize Mars bars? What could possibly be MORE fun about eating LESS chocolate? |
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NJF Wrote:[color=blue] David Hansen wrote: Its been coming for years, accelerated by Thatcher who used the police and army (in police uniform) to destroy any union who opposed her. Dave I think we need to discuss the effacacy of the tin foil hat as Bike helmet -- TooSore |
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