combination spanner: drop forged steel vs. chrome vanadium

John B. wrote:

I read that also - in English :-)

I know, because the story you told is from the
Easter Island book

I find it interesting that Russia freed their
"slaves", i,e., Serfs in 1861 by decree of
the Emperor while the U.S. had to fight
a disastrous war to free theirs in 1865.

That's very Russian. Good people, good emperor,
bad counselors. I don't know if it holds tho...

--
underground experts united .... http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573
Emacs Gnus Blogomatic ......... http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573/blogomatic
- so far: 66 Blogomatic articles -

John B. wrote:

Emacs? Good Lord! I thought you had to be an
over aged hippie to use that :-)

*iiiii*!

I remember some political slogan that all
hippies should be killed ("kill all hippies"?)
- I didn't understand it then and now I just
think they are, well, un-attractive, especially
the over aged ones.

But if they use Emacs, they can't be all bad
now that I think about it!

There is a WordStar look-a-like called "Joe"
that is available for Linux.

There is a Joe in the Debian (Raspbian) repos,
and they mention WordStar in this introduction
(last paragraph):

Joe, the Joe's Own Editor, has the feel of most
PC text editors: the key sequences are
reminiscent of WordStar and Turbo
C editors, but the feature set is much
larger than of those. Joe has all of the
features a Unix user should expect: full
use of termcap/terminfo, complete VI-style
Unix integration, a powerful configuration
file, and regular expression search system.
It also has six help reference cards which
are always available, and an intuitive,
simple, and well thought-out
user interface.

Joe has a great screen update optimization
algorithm, multiple windows (through/between
which you can scroll) and lacks the confusing
notion of named buffers. It has command
history, TAB expansion in file selection menus,
undo and redo functions, (un)indenting and
paragraph formatting, filtering highlighted
blocks through any external Unix command,
editing a pipe into or out of a command,
and block move, copy, delete or filter.

Through simple QEdit-style configuration files,
Joe can be set up to emulate editors such as
Pico and Emacs, along with a complete imitation
of WordStar, and a restricted mode version
(lets you edit only the files specified on
the command line). Joe also has a deferred
screen update to handle typeahead, and it
ensures that deferral is not bypassed by
tty buffering. It's usable even at 2400
baud, and it will work on any kind of sane
terminal. Homepage:
http://joe-editor.sourceforge.net/

--
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Emacs Gnus Blogomatic ......... http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573/blogomatic
- so far: 66 Blogomatic articles -

On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 22:38:58 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 8/14/2016 7:39 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 08:23:56 +0200, Emanuel Berg
wrote:

John B. wrote:

Snipped

amazement, and says, "You don't know?" Thor
says it has been a problem among scholars for
some years and no one can figure it out and
the local guy says, "O.K., tomorrow we'll
show you". The next morning the local guys
show up and they not only move a head to an
auspicious location but they stand it up and
put the "hat" on it.

Ha ha, the local being the boastful and
intolerable "long-ear" mayor who pained
everyone with his tiresome brag, but whose wood
carvings by all means were by far superior to
anything else on the island

This is another book for the record, a book
even more (?) wonderful than the Kon-Tiki one,
in Swedish:

@book{aku-aku,
author = {Thor Heyerdahl},
publisher = {Bonniers},
title = {Aku-aku. Påsköns hemlighet},
year = 1957
}

I read that also - in English :-)

MORE SNIPPED


I think, perhaps, that all political systems,
and probably very large companies too, have
their moments. The Sputnik program, the AK-47
and perhaps the T-34 tank were all
superlative accomplishments.

Good examples, again for the record now we only
mention the superstar moves, obviously there
were countless of which we will never know.

The Collectivization, on the other hand was
a less successful scheme.

Perhaps less successful in terms of
agriculture but in terms of punishing the
entire population prior to the world war...?

I find it interesting that Russia freed their "slaves", i,e., Serfs in
1861 by decree of the Emperor while the U.S. had to fight a disastrous
war to free theirs in 1865.

Britain outlawed (most?) slavery in its empire only about 30 years
earlier than the U.S.

And around 1900, at least one famous British company was still relying
on products produced by slaves, according to this book
https://www.amazon.com/Chocolate-Tri.../dp/082141626X

written by a good cycling friend of mine.

- Frank Krygowski

Oh My God! Horrifying!

But of course you Americans bought 1.054 thousand barrels of oil a day
from Saudi Arabia in Jan 2016, and are still buying oil from them
today.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_...n_Saudi_Arabia
--
cheers,

John B.

On Mon, 15 Aug 2016 13:00:54 +0200, Emanuel Berg
wrote:

John B. wrote:

Emacs? Good Lord! I thought you had to be an
over aged hippie to use that :-)

*iiiii*!

I remember some political slogan that all
hippies should be killed ("kill all hippies"?)
- I didn't understand it then and now I just
think they are, well, un-attractive, especially
the over aged ones.

I never heard that but I did see bumper stickers saying something
like, "If you are robbed call a Hippy, not a Cop" :-)

But if they use Emacs, they can't be all bad
now that I think about it!

There is a WordStar look-a-like called "Joe"
that is available for Linux.

There is a Joe in the Debian (Raspbian) repos,
and they mention WordStar in this introduction
(last paragraph):

I've installed Joe out of nostalgia once or twice and it is surprising
how awkward the old WordStar command keys are if one is not using the
old dumb terminals :-)
--
cheers,

John B.

On 8/15/2016 7:05 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 22:38:58 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 8/14/2016 7:39 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 08:23:56 +0200, Emanuel Berg
wrote:

John B. wrote:

Snipped

amazement, and says, "You don't know?" Thor
says it has been a problem among scholars for
some years and no one can figure it out and
the local guy says, "O.K., tomorrow we'll
show you". The next morning the local guys
show up and they not only move a head to an
auspicious location but they stand it up and
put the "hat" on it.

Ha ha, the local being the boastful and
intolerable "long-ear" mayor who pained
everyone with his tiresome brag, but whose wood
carvings by all means were by far superior to
anything else on the island

This is another book for the record, a book
even more (?) wonderful than the Kon-Tiki one,
in Swedish:

@book{aku-aku,
author = {Thor Heyerdahl},
publisher = {Bonniers},
title = {Aku-aku. Påsköns hemlighet},
year = 1957
}

I read that also - in English :-)

MORE SNIPPED


I think, perhaps, that all political systems,
and probably very large companies too, have
their moments. The Sputnik program, the AK-47
and perhaps the T-34 tank were all
superlative accomplishments.

Good examples, again for the record now we only
mention the superstar moves, obviously there
were countless of which we will never know.

The Collectivization, on the other hand was
a less successful scheme.

Perhaps less successful in terms of
agriculture but in terms of punishing the
entire population prior to the world war...?

I find it interesting that Russia freed their "slaves", i,e., Serfs in
1861 by decree of the Emperor while the U.S. had to fight a disastrous
war to free theirs in 1865.

Britain outlawed (most?) slavery in its empire only about 30 years
earlier than the U.S.

And around 1900, at least one famous British company was still relying
on products produced by slaves, according to this book
https://www.amazon.com/Chocolate-Tri.../dp/082141626X

written by a good cycling friend of mine.

- Frank Krygowski

Oh My God! Horrifying!

But of course you Americans bought 1.054 thousand barrels of oil a day
from Saudi Arabia in Jan 2016, and are still buying oil from them
today.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_...n_Saudi_Arabia

I'm not particularly happy about buying that oil. But nobody in power
ever bothers to ask about that.


--
- Frank Krygowski

On Mon, 15 Aug 2016 22:43:38 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 8/15/2016 7:05 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 22:38:58 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 8/14/2016 7:39 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 08:23:56 +0200, Emanuel Berg
wrote:

John B. wrote:

Snipped

amazement, and says, "You don't know?" Thor
says it has been a problem among scholars for
some years and no one can figure it out and
the local guy says, "O.K., tomorrow we'll
show you". The next morning the local guys
show up and they not only move a head to an
auspicious location but they stand it up and
put the "hat" on it.

Ha ha, the local being the boastful and
intolerable "long-ear" mayor who pained
everyone with his tiresome brag, but whose wood
carvings by all means were by far superior to
anything else on the island

This is another book for the record, a book
even more (?) wonderful than the Kon-Tiki one,
in Swedish:

@book{aku-aku,
author = {Thor Heyerdahl},
publisher = {Bonniers},
title = {Aku-aku. Påsköns hemlighet},
year = 1957
}

I read that also - in English :-)

MORE SNIPPED


I think, perhaps, that all political systems,
and probably very large companies too, have
their moments. The Sputnik program, the AK-47
and perhaps the T-34 tank were all
superlative accomplishments.

Good examples, again for the record now we only
mention the superstar moves, obviously there
were countless of which we will never know.

The Collectivization, on the other hand was
a less successful scheme.

Perhaps less successful in terms of
agriculture but in terms of punishing the
entire population prior to the world war...?

I find it interesting that Russia freed their "slaves", i,e., Serfs in
1861 by decree of the Emperor while the U.S. had to fight a disastrous
war to free theirs in 1865.

Britain outlawed (most?) slavery in its empire only about 30 years
earlier than the U.S.

And around 1900, at least one famous British company was still relying
on products produced by slaves, according to this book
https://www.amazon.com/Chocolate-Tri.../dp/082141626X

written by a good cycling friend of mine.

- Frank Krygowski

Oh My God! Horrifying!

But of course you Americans bought 1.054 thousand barrels of oil a day
from Saudi Arabia in Jan 2016, and are still buying oil from them
today.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_...n_Saudi_Arabia

I'm not particularly happy about buying that oil. But nobody in power
ever bothers to ask about that.

I don't know the up to the minute figures but in 2015 petroleum import
from the OPEC countries was about 50% of net imports, i.e., total
imports less exports. About 2.65 million Bbls oil a day.
From another chart U.S. usage in 20915 was about 19.4 million
Bbls/day.

There is another factor that usually goes unnoticed. The Saudi's
usually take a conservative position in OPEC and have enough oil to
enforce their position.
--
cheers,

John B.

On 8/15/2016 9:43 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 8/15/2016 7:05 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 22:38:58 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 8/14/2016 7:39 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 08:23:56 +0200, Emanuel Berg
wrote:

John B. wrote:

Snipped

amazement, and says, "You don't know?" Thor
says it has been a problem among scholars for
some years and no one can figure it out and
the local guy says, "O.K., tomorrow we'll
show you". The next morning the local guys
show up and they not only move a head to an
auspicious location but they stand it up and
put the "hat" on it.

Ha ha, the local being the boastful and
intolerable "long-ear" mayor who pained
everyone with his tiresome brag, but whose wood
carvings by all means were by far superior to
anything else on the island

This is another book for the record, a book
even more (?) wonderful than the Kon-Tiki one,
in Swedish:

@book{aku-aku,
author = {Thor Heyerdahl},
publisher = {Bonniers},
title = {Aku-aku. Påsköns hemlighet},
year = 1957
}

I read that also - in English :-)

MORE SNIPPED


I think, perhaps, that all political systems,
and probably very large companies too, have
their moments. The Sputnik program, the AK-47
and perhaps the T-34 tank were all
superlative accomplishments.

Good examples, again for the record now we only
mention the superstar moves, obviously there
were countless of which we will never know.

The Collectivization, on the other hand was
a less successful scheme.

Perhaps less successful in terms of
agriculture but in terms of punishing the
entire population prior to the world war...?

I find it interesting that Russia freed their "slaves",
i,e., Serfs in
1861 by decree of the Emperor while the U.S. had to
fight a disastrous
war to free theirs in 1865.

Britain outlawed (most?) slavery in its empire only about
30 years
earlier than the U.S.

And around 1900, at least one famous British company was
still relying
on products produced by slaves, according to this book
https://www.amazon.com/Chocolate-Tri.../dp/082141626X


written by a good cycling friend of mine.

- Frank Krygowski

Oh My God! Horrifying!

But of course you Americans bought 1.054 thousand barrels
of oil a day
from Saudi Arabia in Jan 2016, and are still buying oil
from them
today.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_...n_Saudi_Arabia


I'm not particularly happy about buying that oil. But
nobody in power ever bothers to ask about that.



it's a world market in a (nearly) fungible commodity so
consider also the other big slavers in Sudan, Nigeria etc.
Don't leave out the totalitarians in Venezuela, where
communism is slavery by another name.

But we're oh-so-moralizing that we inhibit our own
extraction industries, leading to unemployment, reduced
exports and de facto empowerment of some of the worst
regimes on earth. Try to comprehend the pernicious policies
which empower the Keeper of the Two Mosques while punishing
Canada. I can't.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Tue, 16 Aug 2016 07:07:49 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 8/15/2016 9:43 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 8/15/2016 7:05 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 22:38:58 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 8/14/2016 7:39 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 08:23:56 +0200, Emanuel Berg
wrote:

John B. wrote:

Snipped

amazement, and says, "You don't know?" Thor
says it has been a problem among scholars for
some years and no one can figure it out and
the local guy says, "O.K., tomorrow we'll
show you". The next morning the local guys
show up and they not only move a head to an
auspicious location but they stand it up and
put the "hat" on it.

Ha ha, the local being the boastful and
intolerable "long-ear" mayor who pained
everyone with his tiresome brag, but whose wood
carvings by all means were by far superior to
anything else on the island

This is another book for the record, a book
even more (?) wonderful than the Kon-Tiki one,
in Swedish:

@book{aku-aku,
author = {Thor Heyerdahl},
publisher = {Bonniers},
title = {Aku-aku. Påsköns hemlighet},
year = 1957
}

I read that also - in English :-)

MORE SNIPPED


I think, perhaps, that all political systems,
and probably very large companies too, have
their moments. The Sputnik program, the AK-47
and perhaps the T-34 tank were all
superlative accomplishments.

Good examples, again for the record now we only
mention the superstar moves, obviously there
were countless of which we will never know.

The Collectivization, on the other hand was
a less successful scheme.

Perhaps less successful in terms of
agriculture but in terms of punishing the
entire population prior to the world war...?

I find it interesting that Russia freed their "slaves",
i,e., Serfs in
1861 by decree of the Emperor while the U.S. had to
fight a disastrous
war to free theirs in 1865.

Britain outlawed (most?) slavery in its empire only about
30 years
earlier than the U.S.

And around 1900, at least one famous British company was
still relying
on products produced by slaves, according to this book
https://www.amazon.com/Chocolate-Tri.../dp/082141626X


written by a good cycling friend of mine.

- Frank Krygowski

Oh My God! Horrifying!

But of course you Americans bought 1.054 thousand barrels
of oil a day
from Saudi Arabia in Jan 2016, and are still buying oil
from them
today.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_...n_Saudi_Arabia


I'm not particularly happy about buying that oil. But
nobody in power ever bothers to ask about that.



it's a world market in a (nearly) fungible commodity so
consider also the other big slavers in Sudan, Nigeria etc.
Don't leave out the totalitarians in Venezuela, where
communism is slavery by another name.

But we're oh-so-moralizing that we inhibit our own
extraction industries, leading to unemployment, reduced
exports and de facto empowerment of some of the worst
regimes on earth. Try to comprehend the pernicious policies
which empower the Keeper of the Two Mosques while punishing
Canada. I can't.

U.S. policies have always been a bit of a mystery. Overthrowing
governments in aid of one of the world's larger copper companies or
providing support for radical Moslem movements who's stated aims are
world domination. Or paying people to have babies out of wedlock and
paying them not to work all seem a bit strange to the untutored eye.

Perhaps with an advanced degree in Swahili or basket weaving it would
be clearer?
--
cheers,

John B.

On Tuesday, August 16, 2016 at 7:23:28 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 16 Aug 2016 07:07:49 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 8/15/2016 9:43 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 8/15/2016 7:05 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 22:38:58 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 8/14/2016 7:39 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 08:23:56 +0200, Emanuel Berg
wrote:

John B. wrote:

Snipped

amazement, and says, "You don't know?" Thor
says it has been a problem among scholars for
some years and no one can figure it out and
the local guy says, "O.K., tomorrow we'll
show you". The next morning the local guys
show up and they not only move a head to an
auspicious location but they stand it up and
put the "hat" on it.

Ha ha, the local being the boastful and
intolerable "long-ear" mayor who pained
everyone with his tiresome brag, but whose wood
carvings by all means were by far superior to
anything else on the island

This is another book for the record, a book
even more (?) wonderful than the Kon-Tiki one,
in Swedish:

@book{aku-aku,
author = {Thor Heyerdahl},
publisher = {Bonniers},
title = {Aku-aku. Påsköns hemlighet},
year = 1957
}

I read that also - in English :-)

MORE SNIPPED


I think, perhaps, that all political systems,
and probably very large companies too, have
their moments. The Sputnik program, the AK-47
and perhaps the T-34 tank were all
superlative accomplishments.

Good examples, again for the record now we only
mention the superstar moves, obviously there
were countless of which we will never know.

The Collectivization, on the other hand was
a less successful scheme.

Perhaps less successful in terms of
agriculture but in terms of punishing the
entire population prior to the world war...?

I find it interesting that Russia freed their "slaves",
i,e., Serfs in
1861 by decree of the Emperor while the U.S. had to
fight a disastrous
war to free theirs in 1865.

Britain outlawed (most?) slavery in its empire only about
30 years
earlier than the U.S.

And around 1900, at least one famous British company was
still relying
on products produced by slaves, according to this book
https://www.amazon.com/Chocolate-Tri.../dp/082141626X


written by a good cycling friend of mine.

- Frank Krygowski

Oh My God! Horrifying!

But of course you Americans bought 1.054 thousand barrels
of oil a day
from Saudi Arabia in Jan 2016, and are still buying oil
from them
today.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_...n_Saudi_Arabia


I'm not particularly happy about buying that oil. But
nobody in power ever bothers to ask about that.



it's a world market in a (nearly) fungible commodity so
consider also the other big slavers in Sudan, Nigeria etc.
Don't leave out the totalitarians in Venezuela, where
communism is slavery by another name.

But we're oh-so-moralizing that we inhibit our own
extraction industries, leading to unemployment, reduced
exports and de facto empowerment of some of the worst
regimes on earth. Try to comprehend the pernicious policies
which empower the Keeper of the Two Mosques while punishing
Canada. I can't.

U.S. policies have always been a bit of a mystery. Overthrowing
governments in aid of one of the world's larger copper companies or
providing support for radical Moslem movements who's stated aims are
world domination. Or paying people to have babies out of wedlock and
paying them not to work all seem a bit strange to the untutored eye.

Perhaps with an advanced degree in Swahili or basket weaving it would
be clearer?

Forget about copper. We were overthrowing governments for bananas and British oil interests. Many policy decisions seemed correct at the time but look stupid in retrospect. Some were stupid at the time and in retrospect. Some were stupid at the time but are now seen as good, including various bail-outs. Eisenhower was pretty good with the stupid at the time but now seen as good, like his views on the military industrial complex and the Federal Highway Act which was seen by conservatives as the new new deal. He backed a national health system. My gawd! As for SA, the reason we've been friends is obvious.

You should read this: https://www.amazon.com/Power-Faith-F.../dp/0393330303 Our national history has been shaped by our relationship with the Middle East -- right down to our first battle ship and the Marine Hymn.

-- Jay Beattie.

On Tue, 16 Aug 2016 20:41:07 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie
wrote:

On Tuesday, August 16, 2016 at 7:23:28 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 16 Aug 2016 07:07:49 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 8/15/2016 9:43 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 8/15/2016 7:05 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 22:38:58 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 8/14/2016 7:39 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 08:23:56 +0200, Emanuel Berg
wrote:

John B. wrote:

Snipped

amazement, and says, "You don't know?" Thor
says it has been a problem among scholars for
some years and no one can figure it out and
the local guy says, "O.K., tomorrow we'll
show you". The next morning the local guys
show up and they not only move a head to an
auspicious location but they stand it up and
put the "hat" on it.

Ha ha, the local being the boastful and
intolerable "long-ear" mayor who pained
everyone with his tiresome brag, but whose wood
carvings by all means were by far superior to
anything else on the island

This is another book for the record, a book
even more (?) wonderful than the Kon-Tiki one,
in Swedish:

@book{aku-aku,
author = {Thor Heyerdahl},
publisher = {Bonniers},
title = {Aku-aku. Påsköns hemlighet},
year = 1957
}

I read that also - in English :-)

MORE SNIPPED


I think, perhaps, that all political systems,
and probably very large companies too, have
their moments. The Sputnik program, the AK-47
and perhaps the T-34 tank were all
superlative accomplishments.

Good examples, again for the record now we only
mention the superstar moves, obviously there
were countless of which we will never know.

The Collectivization, on the other hand was
a less successful scheme.

Perhaps less successful in terms of
agriculture but in terms of punishing the
entire population prior to the world war...?

I find it interesting that Russia freed their "slaves",
i,e., Serfs in
1861 by decree of the Emperor while the U.S. had to
fight a disastrous
war to free theirs in 1865.

Britain outlawed (most?) slavery in its empire only about
30 years
earlier than the U.S.

And around 1900, at least one famous British company was
still relying
on products produced by slaves, according to this book
https://www.amazon.com/Chocolate-Tri.../dp/082141626X


written by a good cycling friend of mine.

- Frank Krygowski

Oh My God! Horrifying!

But of course you Americans bought 1.054 thousand barrels
of oil a day
from Saudi Arabia in Jan 2016, and are still buying oil
from them
today.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_...n_Saudi_Arabia


I'm not particularly happy about buying that oil. But
nobody in power ever bothers to ask about that.



it's a world market in a (nearly) fungible commodity so
consider also the other big slavers in Sudan, Nigeria etc.
Don't leave out the totalitarians in Venezuela, where
communism is slavery by another name.

But we're oh-so-moralizing that we inhibit our own
extraction industries, leading to unemployment, reduced
exports and de facto empowerment of some of the worst
regimes on earth. Try to comprehend the pernicious policies
which empower the Keeper of the Two Mosques while punishing
Canada. I can't.

U.S. policies have always been a bit of a mystery. Overthrowing
governments in aid of one of the world's larger copper companies or
providing support for radical Moslem movements who's stated aims are
world domination. Or paying people to have babies out of wedlock and
paying them not to work all seem a bit strange to the untutored eye.

Perhaps with an advanced degree in Swahili or basket weaving it would
be clearer?

Forget about copper. We were overthrowing governments for bananas and British oil interests. Many policy decisions seemed correct at the time but look stupid in retrospect. Some were stupid at the time and in retrospect. Some were stupid at the time but are now seen as good, including various bail-outs. Eisenhower was pretty good with the stupid at the time but now seen as good, like his views on the military industrial complex and the Federal Highway Act which was seen by conservatives as the new new deal. He backed a national health system. My gawd! As for SA, the reason we've been friends is obvious.

You should read this: https://www.amazon.com/Power-Faith-F.../dp/0393330303 Our national history has been shaped by our relationship with the Middle East -- right down to our first battle ship and the Marine Hymn.

-- Jay Beattie.

To be pedantic it wasn't the first battle ship, which wasn't
commissioned until about 90 years after the Derna campaign :-)

But what I find rather ironic is that in the early 1800's the Barbery
Pirates were pirating ships and holding them for ransom. the U.S.
sailed in with two war ships, shelled the town, captured it with a
force of something like 500 men and disposed the Pasha, replacing him
with a "friend". Everybody involved was a hero, songs were written
about it.

About 200 years later the same thing happened in Somalia. They formed
a committee.

--
cheers,

John B.