published helmet research - not troll

On 10/18/2004 11:27 PM, in article , "Bill
Z." wrote:

Frank Krygowski writes:

Bill Z. wrote:

Frank Krygowski writes:

Bill Z. wrote:


I never claimed every conceivable helmet design reduces air drag.

True. You claimed _your_ helmet reduces air drag.

And, when asked, you refused to even tell what model _your_ helmet is.
Actually, I claimed that I had a typical "teardrop shaped" helmet
that would reduce air drag by a very slight amount and that it is
typical of many helmets.

Give us the make and model, Bill, or have the sense to slink away in
embarrassment.

It's simply none of your business. I pointed out that it is a typical
"teardrop-shaped helmet" with a moderate, but not extreme, number of
vents and nothing particularly extreme in its design. You know, kind
of middle-of-the road, dull, and boring, but better than a symmetric
design like a Bell V1 Pro. That's all you need to know. I might have
mentioned it as an example, but it is pretty much a typical design.

Your "slink away" rhetoric just won't fly. It is typical of you,
though, which is why I've always viewed you as a sleazy character - a
wannabe politician type. You fit in quite well, though, as a slicker
version of your cohorts, which include a baby-talking troll and a
girlfriend basher. Nice company you keep, Frank.


Who cares?

Now shut up and go away.




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"Steven L. Sheffield" wrote in message
...

Steven, you'll feel a lot better if you finally learn how to use the "ignore
thread" function.

"Bill Z." wrote in message
...
Frank Krygowski writes:

Give us the make and model, Bill, or have the sense to slink away in
embarrassment.

It's simply none of your business. I pointed out that it is a typical
"teardrop-shaped helmet" with a moderate, but not extreme, number of
vents and nothing particularly extreme in its design.

And yet the most extreme design without vents wasn't as aerodynamic as a
bald head. Explain how your helmet with vents can be more aerodynamic than a
V1 Pro.

Oh, that's right - your proof of that proved just the opposite.

"Steven L. Sheffield" writes:

On 10/18/2004 08:29 PM, in article , "Bill
Z." wrote:

Frank Krygowski writes:

Bill Z. wrote:


You and two of your minion-trolls are not everyone.

Who cares?
Now shut up and go away.

These bozos are posting far more on the topic than I am. Blame
them.

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My real name backwards: nemuaZ lliB

"Tom Kunich" writes:

"Bill Z." wrote in message
...
Frank Krygowski writes:

Give us the make and model, Bill, or have the sense to slink away in
embarrassment.

It's simply none of your business. I pointed out that it is a typical
"teardrop-shaped helmet" with a moderate, but not extreme, number of
vents and nothing particularly extreme in its design.

And yet the most extreme design without vents wasn't as aerodynamic as a
bald head. Explain how your helmet with vents can be more aerodynamic than a
V1 Pro.

A V1 Pro has vents. Mine does too, plus having a more aerodyanmic
shape. Is that *really* so hard for you to understand? And a bald
head is not relevant when you are not going to shave your head in
any case.

Oh, that's right - your proof of that proved just the opposite.

Nope, and repeating yourself won't make it so.

--
My real name backwards: nemuaZ lliB

On 10/19/2004 11:54 PM, in article , "Bill
Z." wrote:

"Steven L. Sheffield" writes:

On 10/18/2004 08:29 PM, in article , "Bill
Z." wrote:

Frank Krygowski writes:

Bill Z. wrote:


You and two of your minion-trolls are not everyone.

Who cares?
Now shut up and go away.

These bozos are posting far more on the topic than I am. Blame
them.


And because they post you have to respond? You have this need to get the
last word in? Isn't that a bit irrational?

Who cares?
Now shut up and go away.


--
Steven L. Sheffield
stevens at veloworks dot com
veloworks at worldnet dot ay tea tee dot net
bellum pax est libertas servitus est ignoratio vis est
ess ay ell tea ell ay kay ee sea eye tee why you ti ay aitch
aitch tee tea pea colon [for word] slash [four ward] slash double-you
double-yew double-ewe dot veloworks dot com [four word] slash

On 10/19/2004 07:59 PM, in article
t, "Tom Kunich"
wrote:

"Bill Z." wrote in message
...
Frank Krygowski writes:

Give us the make and model, Bill, or have the sense to slink away in
embarrassment.

It's simply none of your business. I pointed out that it is a typical
"teardrop-shaped helmet" with a moderate, but not extreme, number of
vents and nothing particularly extreme in its design.

And yet the most extreme design without vents wasn't as aerodynamic as a
bald head. Explain how your helmet with vents can be more aerodynamic than a
V1 Pro.

Oh, that's right - your proof of that proved just the opposite.





Who cares?
Now shut up and go away.


--
Steven L. Sheffield
stevens at veloworks dot com
veloworks at worldnet dot ay tea tee dot net
bellum pax est libertas servitus est ignoratio vis est
ess ay ell tea ell ay kay ee sea eye tee why you ti ay aitch
aitch tee tea pea colon [for word] slash [four ward] slash double-you
double-yew double-ewe dot veloworks dot com [four word] slash

On 10/20/2004 12:20 AM, in article , "Bill
Z." wrote:

"Tom Kunich" writes:

"Bill Z." wrote in message
...
Frank Krygowski writes:

Give us the make and model, Bill, or have the sense to slink away in
embarrassment.

It's simply none of your business. I pointed out that it is a typical
"teardrop-shaped helmet" with a moderate, but not extreme, number of
vents and nothing particularly extreme in its design.

And yet the most extreme design without vents wasn't as aerodynamic as a
bald head. Explain how your helmet with vents can be more aerodynamic than a
V1 Pro.

A V1 Pro has vents. Mine does too, plus having a more aerodyanmic
shape. Is that *really* so hard for you to understand? And a bald
head is not relevant when you are not going to shave your head in
any case.

Oh, that's right - your proof of that proved just the opposite.

Nope, and repeating yourself won't make it so.




Who cares?
Now shut up and go away.


--
Steven L. Sheffield
stevens at veloworks dot com
veloworks at worldnet dot ay tea tee dot net
bellum pax est libertas servitus est ignoratio vis est
ess ay ell tea ell ay kay ee sea eye tee why you ti ay aitch
aitch tee tea pea colon [for word] slash [four ward] slash double-you
double-yew double-ewe dot veloworks dot com [four word] slash

Bill Z. wrote:

A V1 Pro has vents. Mine does too, plus having a more aerodyanmic
shape.

I know of no ordinary, off-the-shelf helmet that's been shown to have a
"more aerodynamic shape" than a V1 Pro, and I'm sure I've got more
experience measuring aerodynamic drag than you have.

You could prove me wrong, of course. Just tell us the make and model of
your helmet, the one you're making these claims for. And point us to
the drag measurements that you're using to make your conclusion.

If you won't, it makes it clear that you're just trying to avoid proving
yourself a liar.

Unsuccessfully, of course!


--
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"Bill Z." wrote in message
...
"Tom Kunich" writes:
And yet the most extreme design without vents wasn't as aerodynamic as a
bald head. Explain how your helmet with vents can be more aerodynamic
than a
V1 Pro.

A V1 Pro has vents. Mine does too, plus having a more aerodyanmic
shape. Is that *really* so hard for you to understand? And a bald
head is not relevant when you are not going to shave your head in
any case.

1) You haven't a clue what "more aerodynamic" means unless your helmet was
tested in a wind tunnel. Aerodymanics of low speed laminar flow shapes
cannot be estimated unless you have hundreds of hours in wind tunnel
research.

I have 10's of hours. What about you?

Oh, that's right - your proof of that proved just the opposite.

Nope, and repeating yourself won't make it so.

In case you've missed it, short hair is in. Short hair has a great deal less
aerodynamic drag than a modern helmet. Modern helmets don't meet the Snell
Foundation crash standards and perhaps HALF of them do not meet the
'voluntary' ANSI standards because they are self-certified.

The fact of the matter is that wearing a helmet makes little if any sense
but then you'll defend helmets to the death. Hopefully at the hands of a
defective helmet.